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Re: TAC 2017 Dr. House - Türkçe

Postby הענט » 2017-08-29, 18:58

I read the first two suras and my attention got swayed away by Arabic. Maybe later MSA. :)

Benim adım Simon ( ismim Simon). Yirmi-altı yaşındayım. Ústí nad Labem'de doğdum.Türkçe çok ağir.

Is that right? Not sure if heavy and difficult are synonyms in Turkish (they are in Czech).

Daily word: (tr) gemi - ship

I deleted the JW app. The word Yehova is irksome.

Btw. I know the vowel harmony works like this Arapça, Farsça, Türkçe, Çekçe. But why Bulgarca?

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Re: TAC 2017 Dr. House - Türkçe

Postby eskandar » 2017-08-29, 19:34

Dr. House wrote:Türkçe çok ağir.
Is that right? Not sure if heavy and difficult are synonyms in Turkish (they are in Czech).

They are synonyms, but I think it would be more idiomatic to say "Türkçe çok zor". We should see what voron or other Turkish speakers have to say, though.

I know the vowel harmony works like this Arapça, Farsça, Türkçe, Çekçe. But why Bulgarca?

Why not? a ı o u harmonize together (ex. Araa, Fransızca, Estonca, Rua). Bulgar has vowel harmony (u followed by a) so the suffix follows that harmony. If you mean why is it Bulgarca and not *Bulgarça, that's not a question of vowel harmony but rather consonant harmony. This suffix is -ca/-ce when following a vowel or voiced consonants (b, c, d, g, ğ, j, l, m, n, r, v, y, z) and -ça/-çe when following unvoiced consonants (p, ç, t, k, f, h, s, ş).
Please correct my mistakes in any language.

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Re: TAC 2017 Dr. House - Türkçe

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-08-29, 19:43

eskandar wrote:
Dr. House wrote:Türkçe çok ağir.
Is that right? Not sure if heavy and difficult are synonyms in Turkish (they are in Czech).

They are synonyms, but I think it would be more idiomatic to say "Türkçe çok zor".

I would also use zor. I think 26 is supposed to be written without a hyphen, too, so yirmialtı.

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Re: TAC 2017 Dr. House - Türkçe

Postby voron » 2017-08-30, 0:10

Dr. House wrote:I read the first two suras and my attention got swayed away by Arabic.

Did you read the whole al-Baqara in Arabic? :o

Yes, it should be zor, not ağır.
Also, 26 is spelt "yirmi altı".

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Re: TAC 2017 Dr. House - Türkçe

Postby הענט » 2017-08-30, 8:16

voron wrote:
Dr. House wrote:I read the first two suras and my attention got swayed away by Arabic.

Did you read the whole al-Baqara in Arabic? :o

Yes, it should be zor, not ağır.
Also, 26 is spelt "yirmi altı".


No way. I read the Czech translation by Hrbek and only listened to the spoken form. My Arabic reading is a lot of guesswork. There are these Luminy (something like Tang) powder drinks and I can read all the flavors, but anything longer is a hit or miss only. Sometimes the long i isn't i, but j and that deviates the pronunciation furthermore. But the vowel marks don't look good. What is mind-blowing to me is how were they able to read the dotless script. :D

About the hyphen. I guess it's an English peculiarity e.g. twenty-six.

Eskandar: Yeah I meant the consonant harmony. Now I sort of understand - Kürtçe, Danca, Çince...

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Re: TAC 2017 Dr. House - Türkçe

Postby הענט » 2017-09-04, 2:48

I had a couple of AHA moments again. Ay meaning moon. I know this one, because I used the moon god Ay Dede in one of my short stories about a Tuvan boy rebelling against Russian oppressors in Tsar Wars.

Yesterday I saw : O düşünüyor - he/she thinks
And it clicked suddenly, because some time ago I learned the phrase : Yapabilecegimi düşünüyorum - I think I could do that.

And sandalye reminds me of sandals, rather than chairs, but I'll take it. :)

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Re: TAC 2017 Dr. House - Türkçe

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-09-04, 2:58

Dr. House wrote:Yapabilecegğimi

And sandalye reminds me of sandals, rather than chairs, but I'll take it. :)

Me, too. It's cognate with "sandal(wood)" (apparently, in Czech, this is called santal). Sandalwood, if you didn't already know, is a type of wood that is known for its sweet smell and is grown in South Asia and some of the Pacific islands. It's used for making furniture sometimes.

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Re: TAC 2017 Dr. House - Türkçe

Postby הענט » 2017-09-04, 17:05

Thanks Vijay. I know santalové dřevo, but I didn't know the English word. I wish I could hit the lotto and study comparative linguistics.

Today I saw işte mean here is ( like voilà or douzo) and at work. I was confused, but then I realized work was iş and te was the same thing as evde or yatakta with vowel and consonant harmonies applied. ( just like Hungarian -ben)

And yüz means both one hundred and face.

Muhteşem Yüzyıl - Velkolepé století

Turkish is more difficult, but also more fun. :)

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Re: TAC 2017 Dr. House - Türkçe

Postby voron » 2017-09-04, 17:38

Dr. House wrote:And yüz means both one hundred and face.

And the imperative of the verb yüzmek. :)
Yüz! - Swim!

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Re: TAC 2017 Dr. House - Türkçe

Postby הענט » 2017-09-25, 11:42

Ojalá el año que venga. Fuí a jugar de nuevo y perdí 15.000 coronas y mi smartphone. Tengo problemas con alcohol y necesito a curar mi "alma" y no beber más. Voy a leer libros y tratar de escribir algo. Además voy a aprender idiomas, pero este tac 2017 no voy a alcanzarlo.

Hošçakalīn.

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Re: TAC 2018 - HENT

Postby הענט » 2018-02-01, 13:12

(ar) (ar-LB) (ar-EG) So far I know bits of MSA and Syrian, but I want to learn Lebanese Arabic instead. Unfortunately I don't have any resources on Lebanese apart from a book by Maksoud Feghali so I'll stick to Egyptian for a while.

(de) I work in a German company and I get to meet people from Germany and Japan so I want to brush up on my German and take it up another notch.
(fr) Mon amour.
(hy) I know a few sentences in Western Armenian, but I decided to learn Eastern Armenian from scratch.

(sv) Jag skulle vilja lära fler.
(no-nn) ditto
(no) ditto
(da) di(ugh)do
(is) ditto

Bonus
Regional languages.

(cy) I'm not scared of you, mutations!!
(ca) BARCELONA!!! By Queen

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Re: TAC 2018 - HENT

Postby הענט » 2018-02-05, 10:21

(ca) El meu nom és Simon. Tinc vint-i-set anys. Sóc vell. No tinc cotxe. No en tinc. (No ho tinc?)

Should I go with the "Je n'en ai pas" or the "No lo tengo" structure here?


Comparison table;

(sv) Vad gör han?
(no) Hva gjør han?
(no-nn) Kva gjer han?

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Re: TAC 2018 - HENT

Postby voron » 2018-02-05, 12:39

Hent wrote:Unfortunately I don't have any resources on Lebanese apart from a book by Maksoud Feghali so I'll stick to Egyptian for a while.

How about these books
https://www.amazon.de/Colloquial-Arabic ... 0415726859
https://www.amazon.de/Colloquial-Arabic ... 041505107X
https://www.amazon.com/Shou-Intermediat ... 0300153910

They can be found online (the last one -- people say it can be found but I couldn't).

And honestly, what else do you need? You have a textbook, a grammar book (for example you can use the Grammar of Beirutian language by Alexander Hourani -- google for it), and then you can jump directly into native materials, and learning materials from DLIFLC, langmedia and lingualism. The grammar and syntax of Arabic dialects are pretty straightforward.

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Re: TAC 2018 - HENT

Postby Antea » 2018-02-05, 13:04

Hent wrote:(ca) El meu nom és Simon. Tinc vint-i-set anys. Sóc vell. No tinc cotxe. No en tinc. (No ho tinc?)


No en tinc (cap). I no ets pas vell :nope:

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Re: TAC 2018 - HENT

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-02-10, 6:47

I honestly thought it was supposed to be spelled éts. :para:

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Re: TAC 2018 - HENT

Postby הענט » 2018-02-10, 14:38

I'm going to learn all the languages on my list and I'm going to put these on a back burner: (he) (no) (pt)

With the exception of Hebrew where I'm going to learn the alphabet. It's a shame I can read the Arabic script but I cannot read the Hebrew script yet. While I would love to learn every language on this planet it's not going to be so easy so I chose a few basic ones I need to improve first.

My goal is to reach A2 to B1 in each of these languages.

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Re: TAC 2018 - HENT

Postby Salajane » 2018-02-10, 14:44

Hent wrote:My goal is to reach A2 to B1 in each of these languages.

In a year?
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Re: TAC 2018 - HENT

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-02-10, 23:21

Hent wrote:I'm going to learn all the languages on my list

What languages are those? I'm confused. :hmm:

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Re: TAC 2018 - HENT

Postby Salajane » 2018-02-10, 23:36

vijayjohn wrote:
Hent wrote:I'm going to learn all the languages on my list

What languages are those? I'm confused. :hmm:

I thought he meant the languages on his profile.
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Re: TAC 2018 - HENT

Postby הענט » 2018-02-11, 11:22

Tak. Sorry my ip on my cell phone is blocked. Makes me wonder if the new Huawei phone's secure.

I hope I'll reach my goal this year. Dont wanna jinx it.


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