FUBAR Game 2021

[vijayjohn]

Woohooo you can do iiiiiiiit!

[vijayjohn]

Meera has now finished her translation and sent it off to Ciarán, our other brand-new member of the FUBAR translation team! Good luck, Ciarán!

I think everyone misunderstood the second sentence except for Meera (and of course kevin), who FWICT did a great job translating linguoboy's second sentence!

[linguoboy]

I think everyone misunderstood the second sentence except for Meera (and of course kevin), who FWICT did a great job translating linguoboy's second sentence!

I translated exactly what I was given, even when it didn't make a whole lotta sense. (In one case I even kept in a particular word which dEhiN confirmed afterwards was not the word he meant to use. I'd suspected this was the case, but IMO this game is not about trying to reconstruct what the original text might have been, it's about fidelity to the text you actually have in front of you.)

[vijayjohn]

I think you might end up being surprised at how simple the original second sentence was.

[kevin]

IMO this game is not about trying to reconstruct what the original text might have been, it's about fidelity to the text you actually have in front of you

I agree that this is what people should do, isn't it like the whole point of the game? Last time, I was a bit disappointed when my Latin text wasn't really continued, but the translation was basically just a guess at what the story could originally have been.

[vijayjohn]

I do try to guess what the text was (saying) tbh.

[dEhiN]

I think everyone misunderstood the second sentence except for Meera (and of course kevin), who FWICT did a great job translating linguoboy's second sentence!

That makes it sound like linguoboy fucked up the second sentence and Meera, more or less, managed to fix it! Methinks this host needs to not insert himself so much during the process.

I translated exactly what I was given, even when it didn't make a whole lotta sense. (In one case I even kept in a particular word which dEhiN confirmed afterwards was not the word he meant to use. I'd suspected this was the case, but IMO this game is not about trying to reconstruct what the original text might have been, it's about fidelity to the text you actually have in front of you.)

Haha, I totally forget which word, and I'm too lazy to check our PMs right now. This has now made me wonder: if say someone who was A1 in French were to translate into French, and I followed, what would I do? I think, as long as the mistranslation could make sense, I would stick to it. But, if the misused word made no sense and it was quite clear which word the person before me meant to use, I would probably assume they wanted that other word, and go with that in my translation.

IMO this game is not about trying to reconstruct what the original text might have been, it's about fidelity to the text you actually have in front of you

I agree that this is what people should do, isn't it like the whole point of the game? Last time, I was a bit disappointed when my Latin text wasn't really continued, but the translation was basically just a guess at what the story could originally have been.

I think you and linguoboy are saying the same thing, no? Basically, you both believe one should translate what they're given, even if part of the text isn't cohesive or coherent with the rest, and one can fathom a guess of what that part should have been based on the rest of the text. I agree too, and that's what I do. I do try to gather as many possible senses of a word as possible and determine which might make the most sense based upon the rest of the text. This could obviously backfire if, near the beginning of translation, I choose certain senses of meaning over others and then try to make the rest of the text fit that which I initially chose.

[vijayjohn]

I think everyone misunderstood the second sentence except for Meera (and of course kevin), who FWICT did a great job translating linguoboy's second sentence!

That makes it sound like linguoboy fucked up the second sentence and Meera, more or less, managed to fix it! Methinks this host needs to not insert himself so much during the process.

I think I just noticed a mistake in kevin's second sentence, actually. I'm sure we'll find out at the end what exactly went wrong. But then I think you misinterpreted that sentence, and I also think linguoboy misread one little word, which changed the meaning of the sentence dramatically. Otherwise I don't see how this word got into the Korean translation.

I think you and linguoboy are saying the same thing, no? Basically, you both believe one should translate what they're given, even if part of the text isn't cohesive or coherent with the rest, and one can fathom a guess of what that part should have been based on the rest of the text.

Yes.

I don't think I mentioned this here, but some of the participants have expressed interest in having me also back-translate the last English translation into Malayalam and then gloss it! I've already tried to include, transliterate, and gloss the original text. I think I'll have to actually compare the final translation to the original to do that, though, because I don't think the final product in Malayalam would even stand a chance of being acceptable written Malayalam otherwise.

[kevin]

I think I just noticed a mistake in kevin's second sentence, actually.

The typo in the verb ending or another one? I really hope that one wasn't too confusing. I think it doesn't give it a different meaning, but then you get a leftover pronoun...

I think you and linguoboy are saying the same thing, no?

Yes. I believe this is what "I agree" indicates, but if not, maybe I should do English in the next FUBAR game.

Obviously, if the meaning is ambiguous or just unclear, I try to interpret it in the way that makes most sense to me in the context as long as it's a possible meaning of my source. But if the source is unambiguous, I'll translate it like that even if the meaning is absurd.

I think I'll have to actually compare the final translation to the original to do that, though, because I don't think the final product in Malayalam would even stand a chance of being acceptable written Malayalam otherwise.

This is a FUBAR game, it's not a requirement to be acceptable written anything.

[vijayjohn]

The typo in the verb ending or another one? I really hope that one wasn't too confusing. I think it doesn't give it a different meaning, but then you get a leftover pronoun...

That happened in the second sentence of what you sent?
No, I just thought you included an unnecessary definite article particle/preposition. I'm no expert on Welsh, though, ofc, so...I could somehow be wrong, but I think I found a Google search result that suggests there's no need for one there. *shrug*

I think I'll have to actually compare the final translation to the original to do that, though, because I don't think the final product in Malayalam would even stand a chance of being acceptable written Malayalam otherwise.

This is a FUBAR game, it's not a requirement to be acceptable written anything.

I guess that's true...but I'm also concerned about delaying the final posting of the results too long. Plus it would probably make the contrast between the original and the final versions look even more pronounced than they would be if written by a professional writer (even a professional writer translating a FUBAR text! ).

[Rí.na.dTeangacha]

Good luck, Ciarán!

Thanks!

I translated exactly what I was given, even when it didn't make a whole lotta sense. (In one case I even kept in a particular word which dEhiN confirmed afterwards was not the word he meant to use. I'd suspected this was the case, but IMO this game is not about trying to reconstruct what the original text might have been, it's about fidelity to the text you actually have in front of you.)

I agree that this is what people should do, isn't it like the whole point of the game? Last time, I was a bit disappointed when my Latin text wasn't really continued, but the translation was basically just a guess at what the story could originally have been.

Well I've finished my translation, but now you have me doubting myself, I may have "interpreted" it too much rather than sticking strictly to what was there. The thing is, it's really hard to translate Japanese literally into Irish, they're too different a lot of the time, so I kind of have to interpret it. :/ I'll try to screw it up a bit more! (this goes against pretty much everything I was taught in college!)

[vijayjohn]

I'd just send it (EDIT: but ofc it's up to you). I myself try to figure out what it's saying.
Besides, the differences in approaches to this game might make it even more interesting in a way.

[Rí.na.dTeangacha]

Sent (with adjustments made to make it more literal). Good luck księżycowy!

[vijayjohn]

All right, księżycowy, do your stuff!

[kevin]

That happened in the second sentence of what you sent?
No, I just thought you included an unnecessary definite article particle/preposition.

Possessive pronoun?

And no, of course, it didn't happen at all! Maybe I should stop commenting any more. You know, si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses..

I guess that's true...but I'm also concerned about delaying the final posting of the results too long.

I'm not sure how settling for lower translation quality would make it take any longer, but if that's the case, I'll let you just do the proper thing.

Sent (with adjustments made to make it more literal). Good luck księżycowy!

You might win the category "fastest translator", looks like you beat linguoboy by about half an hour!

[księżycowy]

Sent (with adjustments made to make it more literal). Good luck księżycowy!

Fear not, Ciarán. I'll screw it up for both of us.

[vijayjohn]

That happened in the second sentence of what you sent?
No, I just thought you included an unnecessary definite article particle/preposition.

Possessive pronoun?

No...

I'm not sure how settling for lower translation quality would make it take any longer, but if that's the case, I'll let you just do the proper thing.

Well, I'm guessing not looking at the original text while translating would probably make it longer!

Sent (with adjustments made to make it more literal). Good luck księżycowy!

You might win the category "fastest translator", looks like you beat linguoboy by about half an hour!

Did he really? Let's see:
I sent it to you on Oct. 5 at 12:13 PM my time.
You sent your translation the next day at 5:10 PM.
dEhiN sent his on the 11th at 4:18 PM.
linguoboy sent his the next day at 10:47 AM.
Meera sent hers yesterday at 3:46 PM.
Ciarán sent his today at 9:49 AM.

So those are intervals of: 28 hours and 57 minutes; 4 days, 23 hours, and 8 minutes; 18 hours and 29 minutes; 6 days, 4 hours, and 59 minutes; and 18 hours and three minutes, respectively.

So yes, he beat linguoboy by 26 minutes!

EDIT: That being said, Car FWIR translates very fast!

[linguoboy]

No, I just thought you included an unnecessary definite article particle/preposition. I'm no expert on Welsh, though, ofc, so...I could somehow be wrong, but I think I found a Google search result that suggests there's no need for one there. *shrug*

Neither am I, but now I'm really curious about the passage in question. (FWIW, Welsh--and Irish--frequently employ resumptive personal pronouns where they wouldn't be expected in English.)

[vijayjohn]

Then maybe he didn't include enough pronouns.

EDIT: Oh, and I'm afraid księżycowy is already hellbent on forcing all of us to wait.

[kevin]

Then maybe he didn't include enough pronouns.

Whatever. It's my dialect.

EDIT: Oh, and I'm afraid księżycowy is already hellbent on forcing all of us to wait.

Next time we'll play without him.