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"Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Postby linguoboy » 2015-07-31, 16:53

Surprised we haven't had this already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85xwZ_OLX0

[flag=]en[/flag] Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[flag=]de[/flag] Hast du versucht es aus und wieder anzuschalten?

[flag=]ga[/flag] Ar dhein tú iarracht ar é a mhúchadh agus a chur ar siúl arís?

[flag=]ca[/flag] Has provat d'apagar-lo i tornar-lo a engegar?
[flag=]es[/flag] ¿Has probado a apagarlo y volverlo a encender?
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Re: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Postby IpseDixit » 2015-07-31, 20:43

[flag=]en[/flag] Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[flag=]de[/flag] Hast du versucht es aus und wieder anzuschalten?

[flag=]ga[/flag] Ar dhein tú iarracht ar é a mhúchadh agus a chur ar siúl arís?

[flag=]ca[/flag] Has provat d'apagar-lo i tornar-lo a engegar?
[flag=]es[/flag] ¿Has probado a apagarlo y volverlo a encender?
[flag=]it[/flag] Hai provato a spegnerlo e riaccenderlo?

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Re: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Postby Levike » 2015-07-31, 20:52

+ Hungarian, Romanian

[flag=]en[/flag] Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[flag=]de[/flag] Hast du versucht es aus und wieder anzuschalten?

[flag=]ga[/flag] Ar dhein tú iarracht ar é a mhúchadh agus a chur ar siúl arís?

[flag=]ca[/flag] Has provat d'apagar-lo i tornar-lo a engegar?
[flag=]es[/flag] ¿Has probado a apagarlo y volverlo a encender?
[flag=]it[/flag] Hai provato a spegnerlo e riaccenderlo?
[flag=]ro[/flag] Ai încercat s-o închizi și s-o repornești?

[flag=]hu[/flag] Megprobáltad-e lezárni és újrainditani?
Last edited by Levike on 2015-07-31, 21:34, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Postby IpseDixit » 2015-07-31, 21:27

[flag=]en[/flag] Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[flag=]de[/flag] Hast du versucht es aus und wieder anzuschalten?

[flag=]ga[/flag] Ar dhein tú iarracht ar é a mhúchadh agus a chur ar siúl arís?

[flag=]ca[/flag] Has provat d'apagar-lo i tornar-lo a engegar?
[flag=]es[/flag] ¿Has probado a apagarlo y volverlo a encender?
[flag=]it[/flag] Hai provato a spegnerlo e riaccenderlo?
[flag=]lld[/flag] Aste chierì de l destudèr e l'empeèr da nef?
[flag=]ro[/flag] Ai încercat s-o închizi și s-o repornești?

[flag=]hu[/flag] Megprobáltad-e lezárni és újrainditani?

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Re: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Postby Dormouse559 » 2015-08-01, 8:01

Adding French

[flag=]en[/flag] Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[flag=]de[/flag] Hast du versucht es aus und wieder anzuschalten?

[flag=]ga[/flag] Ar dhein tú iarracht ar é a mhúchadh agus a chur ar siúl arís?

[flag=]ca[/flag] Has provat d'apagar-lo i tornar-lo a engegar?
[flag=]es[/flag] ¿Has probado a apagarlo y volverlo a encender?
[flag=]fr[/flag] Avez-vous essayé de l'éteindre et de le rallumer ?
[flag=]it[/flag] Hai provato a spegnerlo e riaccenderlo?
[flag=]lld[/flag] Aste chierì de l destudèr e l'empeèr da nef?
[flag=]ro[/flag] Ai încercat s-o închizi și s-o repornești?

[flag=]hu[/flag] Megprobáltad-e lezárni és újrainditani?
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Re: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Postby voron » 2015-08-01, 9:24

Adding Turkish, Russian

[flag=]en[/flag] Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[flag=]de[/flag] Hast du versucht es aus und wieder anzuschalten?

[flag=]ga[/flag] Ar dhein tú iarracht ar é a mhúchadh agus a chur ar siúl arís?

[flag=]ca[/flag] Has provat d'apagar-lo i tornar-lo a engegar?
[flag=]es[/flag] ¿Has probado a apagarlo y volverlo a encender?
[flag=]fr[/flag] Avez-vous essayé de l'éteindre et de le rallumer ?
[flag=]it[/flag] Hai provato a spegnerlo e riaccenderlo?
[flag=]lld[/flag] Aste chierì de l destudèr e l'empeèr da nef?
[flag=]ro[/flag] Ai încercat s-o închizi și s-o repornești?

[flag=]ru[/flag] Вы пробовали его выключить и снова включить?

[flag=]tr[/flag] Onu kapatıp tekrar açmayı denediniz mi?

[flag=]hu[/flag] Megprobáltad-e lezárni és újrainditani?

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Re: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Postby Naava » 2015-08-06, 10:06

Finnish

[flag=]en[/flag] Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[flag=]de[/flag] Hast du versucht es aus und wieder anzuschalten?

[flag=]ga[/flag] Ar dhein tú iarracht ar é a mhúchadh agus a chur ar siúl arís?

[flag=]ca[/flag] Has provat d'apagar-lo i tornar-lo a engegar?
[flag=]es[/flag] ¿Has probado a apagarlo y volverlo a encender?
[flag=]fr[/flag] Avez-vous essayé de l'éteindre et de le rallumer ?
[flag=]it[/flag] Hai provato a spegnerlo e riaccenderlo?
[flag=]lld[/flag] Aste chierì de l destudèr e l'empeèr da nef?
[flag=]ro[/flag] Ai încercat s-o închizi și s-o repornești?

[flag=]ru[/flag] Вы пробовали его выключить и снова включить?

[flag=]tr[/flag] Onu kapatıp tekrar açmayı denediniz mi?

[flag=]hu[/flag] Megprobáltad-e lezárni és újrainditani?
[flag=]fi[/flag] Oletko kokeillut käynnistää sen uudelleen?

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Re: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Postby Multiturquoise » 2015-08-16, 11:31

Adding Esperanto, trying Bulgarian and Greek, adding the new German version.

[flag=]en[/flag] Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[flag=]de[/flag] Hast du/Haben Sie versucht, es aus- und wieder einzuschalten?

[flag=]ga[/flag] Ar dhein tú iarracht ar é a mhúchadh agus a chur ar siúl arís?

[flag=]ca[/flag] Has provat d'apagar-lo i tornar-lo a engegar?
[flag=]es[/flag] ¿Has probado a apagarlo y volverlo a encender?
[flag=]fr[/flag] Avez-vous essayé de l'éteindre et de le rallumer ?
[flag=]it[/flag] Hai provato a spegnerlo e riaccenderlo?
[flag=]lld[/flag] Aste chierì de l destudèr e l'empeèr da nef?
[flag=]ro[/flag] Ai încercat s-o închizi și s-o repornești?

[flag=]el[/flag] Έχεις δοκιμάσει να το σβήσεις κι ξανανάψεις; :?:

[flag=]bg[/flag] Опитвал ли си да го включиш и изключиш отново? :?:
[flag=]ru[/flag] Вы пробовали его выключить и снова включить?

[flag=]tr[/flag] Onu kapatıp tekrar açmayı denediniz mi?

[flag=]hu[/flag] Megprobáltad-e lezárni és újrainditani?
[flag=]fi[/flag] Oletko kokeillut käynnistää sen uudelleen?

[flag=]eo[/flag] Ĉu vi provis malŝalti kaj reŝalti ĝin?
Last edited by Multiturquoise on 2015-08-21, 22:16, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Postby Tenebrarum » 2015-08-18, 10:15

[flag=]de[/flag] Hast du versucht es aus und wieder anzuschalten?

Wait... Would a tech support guy say du here? Shouldn't it be Sie? For context, the guys in The IT Crowd work in a rather posh corporation and have to answer phone calls from posh people upstairs (okay, so the basement where their IT dept is in isn't as polished, but still). Or maybe they are socially challenged techies so they would du anyone and everyone?
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Re: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Postby Levike » 2015-08-18, 11:34

Tenebrarum wrote:
[flag=]de[/flag] Hast du versucht es aus und wieder anzuschalten?

Wait... Would a tech support guy say du here? Shouldn't it be Sie?

If you look closely, almost all languages are using the informal way of speaking.

For example all Romance languages. Okay, except French. Ladin's too weird for me to deduce anything.
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Re: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Postby linguoboy » 2015-08-19, 16:22

Tenebrarum wrote:Or maybe they are socially challenged techies so they would du anyone and everyone?
That's my take on it. We'll see what the native speakers have to say.
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Re: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Postby Bernard » 2015-08-21, 6:41

[flag=]de[/flag] Hast du versucht, es aus- und wieder einzuschalten?
or
[flag=]de[/flag] Haben Sie versucht, es aus- und wieder einzuschalten?

"du" or "Sie": depends on whom you are talking to.

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Re: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Postby Ser » 2015-08-22, 0:03

Edited the Spanish. The use of tú sounds really off to me, for an IT phone service.

[flag=]en[/flag] Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[flag=]de[/flag] Hast du/Haben Sie versucht, es aus- und wieder einzuschalten?

[flag=]ga[/flag] Ar dhein tú iarracht ar é a mhúchadh agus a chur ar siúl arís?

[flag=]ca[/flag] Has provat d'apagar-lo i tornar-lo a engegar?
[flag=]es[/flag] ¿Ha probado apagándolo y volviéndolo a encender? / ¿Ya probó apagándolo y volviéndolo a encender?
[flag=]fr[/flag] Avez-vous essayé de l'éteindre et de le rallumer ?
[flag=]it[/flag] Hai provato a spegnerlo e riaccenderlo?
[flag=]lld[/flag] Aste chierì de l destudèr e l'empeèr da nef?
[flag=]ro[/flag] Ai încercat s-o închizi și s-o repornești?

[flag=]el[/flag] Έχεις δοκιμάσει να το σβήσεις κι ξανανάψεις; :?:

[flag=]bg[/flag] Опитвал ли си да го включиш и изключиш отново? :?:
[flag=]ru[/flag] Вы пробовали его выключить и снова включить?

[flag=]tr[/flag] Onu kapatıp tekrar açmayı denediniz mi?

[flag=]hu[/flag] Megprobáltad-e lezárni és újrainditani?
[flag=]fi[/flag] Oletko kokeillut käynnistää sen uudelleen?

[flag=]eo[/flag] Ĉu vi provis malŝalti kaj reŝalti ĝin?[/quote]

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Re: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Postby Multiturquoise » 2015-08-23, 17:53

Trying Dutch and Polish.

[flag=]en[/flag] Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[flag=]de[/flag] Hast du/Haben Sie versucht, es aus- und wieder einzuschalten?
[flag=]nl[/flag] Hebt u geprobeerd het aan- en opnieuw uit te zetten? :?:

[flag=]ga[/flag] Ar dhein tú iarracht ar é a mhúchadh agus a chur ar siúl arís?

[flag=]ca[/flag] Has provat d'apagar-lo i tornar-lo a engegar?
[flag=]es[/flag] ¿Ha probado apagándolo y volviéndolo a encender? / ¿Ya probó apagándolo y volviéndolo a encender?
[flag=]fr[/flag] Avez-vous essayé de l'éteindre et de le rallumer ?
[flag=]it[/flag] Hai provato a spegnerlo e riaccenderlo?
[flag=]lld[/flag] Aste chierì de l destudèr e l'empeèr da nef?
[flag=]ro[/flag] Ai încercat s-o închizi și s-o repornești?

[flag=]el[/flag] Έχεις δοκιμάσει να το σβήσεις κι ξανανάψεις; :?:

[flag=]pl[/flag] Czy próbowałeś ją wyłączyć i włączyć ponownie? :?:
[flag=]bg[/flag] Опитвал ли си да го включиш и изключиш отново? :?:
[flag=]ru[/flag] Вы пробовали его выключить и снова включить?

[flag=]tr[/flag] Onu kapatıp tekrar açmayı denediniz mi?

[flag=]hu[/flag] Megprobáltad-e lezárni és újrainditani?
[flag=]fi[/flag] Oletko kokeillut käynnistää sen uudelleen?

[flag=]eo[/flag] Ĉu vi provis malŝalti kaj reŝalti ĝin?
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Re: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Postby loqu » 2015-08-23, 19:07

Re-adding the tú version for Spanish. In a handful of work environments in Spain (like mine), 'tú' would definitely be used in these circumstances. If someone called me 'usted' inside the factory, I would certainly be shocked. IT people in the company speak accordingly.

[flag=]en[/flag] Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[flag=]de[/flag] Hast du/Haben Sie versucht, es aus- und wieder einzuschalten?

[flag=]ga[/flag] Ar dhein tú iarracht ar é a mhúchadh agus a chur ar siúl arís?

[flag=]ca[/flag] Has provat d'apagar-lo i tornar-lo a engegar?
[flag=]es[/flag] ¿Ha probado apagándolo y volviéndolo a encender? / ¿Ya probó apagándolo y volviéndolo a encender? (formal) / ¿Has probado a apagarlo y volverlo a encender? (informal)
[flag=]fr[/flag] Avez-vous essayé de l'éteindre et de le rallumer ?
[flag=]it[/flag] Hai provato a spegnerlo e riaccenderlo?
[flag=]lld[/flag] Aste chierì de l destudèr e l'empeèr da nef?
[flag=]ro[/flag] Ai încercat s-o închizi și s-o repornești?

[flag=]el[/flag] Έχεις δοκιμάσει να το σβήσεις κι ξανανάψεις; :?:

[flag=]bg[/flag] Опитвал ли си да го включиш и изключиш отново? :?:
[flag=]ru[/flag] Вы пробовали его выключить и снова включить?

[flag=]tr[/flag] Onu kapatıp tekrar açmayı denediniz mi?

[flag=]hu[/flag] Megprobáltad-e lezárni és újrainditani?
[flag=]fi[/flag] Oletko kokeillut käynnistää sen uudelleen?

[flag=]eo[/flag] Ĉu vi provis malŝalti kaj reŝalti ĝin?[/quote][/quote]
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Re: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Postby voron » 2015-08-23, 20:15

Trying Kurmanji Kurdish.

[flag=]en[/flag] Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[flag=]de[/flag] Hast du/Haben Sie versucht, es aus- und wieder einzuschalten?

[flag=]ga[/flag] Ar dhein tú iarracht ar é a mhúchadh agus a chur ar siúl arís?

[flag=]ca[/flag] Has provat d'apagar-lo i tornar-lo a engegar?
[flag=]es[/flag] ¿Ha probado apagándolo y volviéndolo a encender? / ¿Ya probó apagándolo y volviéndolo a encender? (formal) / ¿Has probado a apagarlo y volverlo a encender? (informal)
[flag=]fr[/flag] Avez-vous essayé de l'éteindre et de le rallumer ?
[flag=]it[/flag] Hai provato a spegnerlo e riaccenderlo?
[flag=]lld[/flag] Aste chierì de l destudèr e l'empeèr da nef?
[flag=]ro[/flag] Ai încercat s-o închizi și s-o repornești?

[flag=]el[/flag] Έχεις δοκιμάσει να το σβήσεις κι ξανανάψεις; :?:

[flag=]bg[/flag] Опитвал ли си да го включиш и изключиш отново? :?:
[flag=]ru[/flag] Вы пробовали его выключить и снова включить?

[flag=]ku[/flag] We girtin û dîsa vekirina wî ceriband? :?:

[flag=]tr[/flag] Onu kapatıp tekrar açmayı denediniz mi?

[flag=]hu[/flag] Megprobáltad-e lezárni és újrainditani?
[flag=]fi[/flag] Oletko kokeillut käynnistää sen uudelleen?

[flag=]eo[/flag] Ĉu vi provis malŝalti kaj reŝalti ĝin?

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Re: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Postby stordragon » 2015-08-24, 8:50

Adding Shanghaic Goetian, Mandarin, Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Ukrainian, Polish, Czech, Slovene, Western Frisian (Klaaifrysk), Dutch, Faroese, Danish, Swedish, Galician and Portuguese.

[flag=]en[/flag] Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[flag=]da[/flag] Har du prøvet/forsøgt at slukke og tænde (for) den igen? OR Har du prøvet/forsøgt at slå den fra og til igen?
[flag=]de[/flag] Hast du versucht es aus und wieder anzuschalten?
[flag=]fo[/flag] Hevur tú roynt at sløkkja og tendra hana aftur?
[flag=]fy[/flag] Hasto besocht it út in wer yn te skeakeljen?
[flag=]nl[/flag] Heb je geprobeerd het uit en weer in te schakelen?
[flag=]sv[/flag] Har du försökt/prövat stänga av och sätta på den igen? OR Har du försökt/prövat släcka och tända den igen?

[flag=]ga[/flag] Ar dhein tú iarracht ar é a mhúchadh agus a chur ar siúl arís?

[flag=]ca[/flag] Has provat d'apagar-lo i tornar-lo a engegar?
[flag=]es[/flag] ¿Ha probado apagándolo y volviéndolo a encender? / ¿Ya probó apagándolo y volviéndolo a encender? (formal) / ¿Has probado a apagarlo y volverlo a encender? (informal)
[flag=]fr[/flag] Avez-vous essayé de l'éteindre et de le rallumer?
[flag=]gl[/flag] Tentou/Tentaches apágalo e volvelo a acender? (formal)/(informal)
[flag=]it[/flag] Hai provato a spegnerlo e riaccenderlo?
[flag=]lld[/flag] Aste chierì de l destudèr e l'empeèr da nef?
[flag=]ro[/flag] Ai încercat s-o închizi și s-o repornești?

[flag=]el[/flag] Έχεις δοκιμάσει να το σβήσεις κι ξανανάψεις; :?:

[flag=]bg[/flag] Опитвал ли си да го включиш и изключиш отново? :?:
[flag=]cs[/flag] Zkoušel ses ho vypnout a znovu zapnout?
[flag=]pl[/flag] Czy próbowałeś go wyłączyć i włączyć ponownie?
[flag=]ru[/flag] Вы пробовали его выключить и снова включить?
[flag=]sl[/flag] Ali si ga poskušal izklopiti in znova vklopiti?
[flag=]uk[/flag] Ви пробували його вимикати і знову вмикати?

[flag=]lv[/flag] Vai (tu) esi mēģinājis viņu izslēgt un vēlreiz/atkal ieslēgt?
[flag=]lt[/flag] Ar (tu) esi bandęs jį išjungti ir vėl įjungti?

[flag=]ku[/flag] We girtin û dîsa vekirina wî ceriband? :?:

[flag=]tr[/flag] Onu kapatıp tekrar açmayı denediniz mi?

[flag=]hu[/flag] Megprobáltad-e lezárni és újrainditani?
[flag=]et[/flag] Kas (sa) oled proovinud seda välja ja uuesti sisse lülitada?
[flag=]fi[/flag] Oletko kokeillut käynnistää sen uudelleen?

[flag=]zh[/flag] 你试过把它关闭然后再开启一次吗?
[flag=]wuu[/flag] 汝侬试过不啊(va):担(nhe)渠(yi)关脱挨下来再重新开一记?

[flag=]eo[/flag] Ĉu vi provis malŝalti kaj reŝalti ĝin?

Questions:
*1 DA-DK at tænde/slukke for (apparatet) VS at tænde/slukke (apparatet), not sure about the difference?

*2 ET-EE proovima VS püüdma VS üritama, which one is the best here? (see http://wordties.cst.dk/wordties-estwn/w ... proovima-3) I prefer proovima, no?

*3 GL-ES tentar vs probar? I think Galicians tend to use the former here? (Similarly to Portuguese, they don't have something like "perfect composed tense", but please correct me if I'm wrong.)

*4 NL-NL & FY-NL not sure whether to use "het"/"it" or "hem"/"him" but I prefer "het"/"it", although "de telefoon" is "mannelijk"..?

*5 PL-PL CS-CZ & LV-LV LT-LT I notice the imperfective aspect form for the verb "try" is more commonly used here (e.g. "próbować/zkoušet & bandyti" rather than "spróbować/zkousit & pabandyti"), but I'm not sure why. Could the perfective "Pokusil ses.." sound better?

*6 SV-SE att försöka göra ngt. OR att försöka att göra ngt.? Not sure if there are any major differences between the two but I think omitting "att" could be better.
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Postby linguoboy » 2015-08-24, 14:45

stordragon wrote:Adding Shanghaic Goetian

"Shanghaic Goetian"? Is that similar to what we would call the Shanghainese dialect of Wu or simply Shanghainese? "Goetian" refers to a kind of mediaeval sorcery.
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Re: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Postby stordragon » 2015-08-24, 16:50

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stordragon wrote:Adding Shanghaic Goetian

"Shanghaic Goetian"? Is that similar to what we would call the Shanghainese dialect of Wu or simply Shanghainese? "Goetian" refers to a kind of mediaeval sorcery.


Shanghaic means the Goetian dialect spoken in the city of Shanghai. I don't know what "Shanghainese", somethingnese or blablanese is, just as I don't know what Englese or Swedese is, and I don't know why a language in PRC has to take an -ese or even a funny -nese suffix. It doesn't have an officially standardized spelling (just as the Võro kiil' language in Estonia or the Samogitian/Yutvingian language in Lithuania, you can spell the names as Võroan, Võroish or Võroic, etc. and Yotvingian or Jutvingian etc. respectively, you name it I have it, and you can even refer to Latvian as "Lettish", Belarusian as "Byelorussian", or even refer to Dutch as "Netherlandic") and I don't think anyone can impose a non-standardized name on such languages. Shanghaic is no exception.

PS many language names in China have multiple variants, such as Hokkien vs. Southern Min vs. Taiwanese vs. Holo-ue, Teochew vs. Teosua, etc., and I don't think there are any "orthographically correct" spellings for them, just as with "Belarusian", "Sámi" or "Galician": no one can deprive me of the right to write "Byelorussian", "Saamic" or "Gallegan". I simply don't like appending an -ese suffix to a language in PRC that's it.

I don't have anything against the "-ese" suffix, but sayings like "All East Asians look the same" or "All East Asian languages are '-ese' languages" sound offensive to me, even though I don't care why in English there's no "-ish" language name for southern European languages and what logic is behind it. :hmm: :wink:

>>"Goetian" refers to a kind of mediaeval sorcery.

I was talking about Goetian but NOT Goetia which is another kettle of fish; Goetian refers to a bunch of Chinese "dialects", also known as the "Wu-Yue"/"Go-Et"(吴越/吳越) language by pinyin, and since the Wu-Yue culture consists of two subcultures, the Wu culture and the Yue culture, it is virtually incorrect to omit Yue/Et when transliterating "吴越语/吳越語" into English, plus, as the monosyllabic name "Wu" is too short to be used to represent this ever more international language, less and less people in the Goetian language circle is using this obsolete name any more. :wink: :)

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Re: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Postby linguoboy » 2015-08-24, 17:14

stordragon wrote:Shanghaic means the Goetian dialect spoken in the city of Shanghai. I don't know what "Shanghainese", somethingnese or blablanese is, just as I don't know what Englese or Swedese is, and I don't know why a language in PRC has to take an -ese or even a funny -nese suffix. It doesn't have an officially standardized spelling (just as the Võro kiil' in Estonian or Samogitian/Yutvingian in Lithuania, you can call them Võroan, Võroish or Võroic, etc and Yotvingian or Jutvingian etc. respectively, anything you like, and you can even call Latvian "Lettish", Belarusian "Byelorussian", or even call Dutch "Netherlandic") and I don't think anyone can impose a non-standardized name on such languages. Shanghaic is no exception.

I'm not getting your logic at all. Regardless of whether it has an official standardised form or not, the Wu dialect spoken in Shanghai has a conventional name in English, and that name is "Shanghainese". Just consult any published reference on the subject. Similarly, the Sinitic sublanguage spoken in the Yangtze Delta and its environs is universally called Wu. I think it's one thing to invent your own terminology when writing, say, a monograph, where you can take several paragraphs to explain your choices and what they refer to. But it's damn confusing to do that on a general forum.

I mean, I think it's lamentable that the language of the Cymry is conventionally called "Welsh", but I'm not about to invent some new term like *"Cymraïc" just to make a point.
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