voron wrote:You can find it for free on the net.
Ah, oh. Thanks, sorry for not even googling it first.
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voron wrote:You can find it for free on the net.
Vlürch wrote:Ah, oh. Thanks, sorry for not even googling it first.
The reflexive voice indicates that the performer of the action is also its recipient or beneficiary. To form the reflexive, the suffix -(I)n or the reflexive pronoun kendi are used.
voron wrote:However, there is an important exception to this rule. The accusative must be used when the object, whether indefinite or definite, is separated from the verb by another word or phrase (which usually means that the topic is shifted to that other word).
Vlürch wrote:linguoboy wrote:I was well into adulthood before I learned there was a rule on the alternation of the /ðiː/ and /ðə/ pronunciations of the.
I still don't know what the rule is, only that sometimes one sounds right and the other one sounds wrong... but I'm not a native speaker and I don't think I'd ever say it with a long [iː] but rather just short [i~ɪ], so...
Vlürch wrote:Is there any site that explains them, or if you could you be arsed to post some?
Antea wrote:I don’t like grammar, these immutable rules But I suppose sometimes it’s necessary
linguoboy wrote:You're absolutely right: none of the self-instruction works for Turkish I have mention this exception.
linguoboy wrote:Antea wrote:I don’t like grammar, these immutable rules But I suppose sometimes it’s necessary
You it missing will and not there being it.
linguoboy wrote:/ðiː/ before vowel sounds, /ðə/ elsewhere
linguoboy wrote:Vlürch wrote:Is there any site that explains them, or if you could you be arsed to post some?
Vlürch wrote:linguoboy wrote:/ðiː/ before vowel sounds, /ðə/ elsewhere
Are there really no exceptions?
Antea wrote:I don’t like grammar, these immutable rules
IpseDixit wrote:Antea wrote:I don’t like grammar, these immutable rules
If they were immutable, most of us would still speak Proto-Indo-European or what came before that.
IpseDixit wrote:Vlürch wrote:linguoboy wrote:/ðiː/ before vowel sounds, /ðə/ elsewhere
Are there really no exceptions?
AFAIK, /ðiː/ can also be used before consonants to emphasize something.
IpseDixit wrote:AFAIK, /ðiː/ can also be used before consonants to emphasize something.
voron wrote:What most courses still seem to underestimate greatly is syntax
vijayjohn wrote:voron wrote:What most courses still seem to underestimate greatly is syntax
I'm not sure I agree, especially since the line between morphology and syntax isn't clear-cut and there are languages where almost all the syntax is encoded in the morphology.
vijayjohn wrote:It sounds to me like what you're thinking of is the general problem with teaching languages, namely that it's impossible to access all the information (not just about syntax, but about anything, even phonetics to some extent) that we have encoded in our brains as native speakers and then impart it to a non-native speaker/learner.
linguoboy wrote:vijayjohn wrote:voron wrote:What most courses still seem to underestimate greatly is syntax
I'm not sure I agree, especially since the line between morphology and syntax isn't clear-cut and there are languages where almost all the syntax is encoded in the morphology.
Are you thinking of polysynthetic languages?
Because in all other inflected languages I know word order plays an important role.
vijayjohn wrote:Because in all other inflected languages I know word order plays an important role.
Hindi/Urdu is pretty free with word order.
linguoboy wrote:vijayjohn wrote:Because in all other inflected languages I know word order plays an important role.
Hindi/Urdu is pretty free with word order.
Linguists who have worked with languages claimed to have "free word order" have almost always discovered that the word order is not truly "free" but reflects pragmatic considerations. That is, sentences will be judged "incorrect" or at least "unusual" by native speakers if the order is not what they expect based on the larger context of the utterance. Just because an element can occur in any position doesn't mean that all possible placements are equal or communicate the same information.
Saim wrote:I wouldn't even say Hindi has free word order if we were to consider only fully 'grammatical' sentences (rather than 'contextually appropriate' or 'natural' ones).
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