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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby księżycowy » 2018-05-14, 20:52

喂!

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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-05-14, 23:18

księżycowy wrote:喂!

喂,你好吗?

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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby księżycowy » 2018-05-14, 23:28

錯誤! :P

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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-05-15, 0:19

什么错误?

:whistle:

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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby Karavinka » 2018-05-15, 15:56

↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A
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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby księżycowy » 2018-05-15, 16:14

vijayjohn wrote:什么错误?

:whistle:

I totally forgot that we were doing this. :P

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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby OldBoring » 2018-05-15, 16:47

vijayjohn wrote:什么错误?

:whistle:

简体字 残体字就是错误!可恶的中共支那猪!
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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-05-17, 4:38

:lol:

Karavinka's video reminds me of a scene from my favorite Telugu movie (yes, the one with all the shitty songs whose lyrics are more than half in English). A Telugu teacher (and language purist) makes fun of the hero for using too many English words, and the heroine challenges the hero to speak for one full minute only in Telugu (he says, "Hey, come on. Telugu is my mother tongue. I know Telugu very well!" entirely in English :lol:). The hero gets a friend to lend him some DVDs of old Telugu movies so he can impress her by speaking pure Telugu, then later asks his friend, "Why did you get me foreign language DVDs? There aren't even any subs!" :P

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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby atalarikt » 2018-05-17, 6:44

vijayjohn wrote::lol:

Karavinka's video reminds me of a scene from my favorite Telugu movie (yes, the one with all the shitty songs whose lyrics are more than half in English). A Telugu teacher (and language purist) makes fun of the hero for using too many English words, and the heroine challenges the hero to speak for one full minute only in Telugu (he says, "Hey, come on. Telugu is my mother tongue. I know Telugu very well!" entirely in English :lol:). The hero gets a friend to lend him some DVDs of old Telugu movies so he can impress her by speaking pure Telugu, then later asks his friend, "Why did you get me foreign language DVDs? There aren't even any subs!" :P

This tickles my sense of curiosity, mind telling me the movie's title?
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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby md0 » 2018-05-18, 17:58

It's been several years since last time, but I bought a new language learning book
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Now I feel guilty for not pursuing Turkish more after the three-semester course at uni was completed, but I can't even explain how ubiquitous English is over here. There's just no external incentive to learn Turkish (or Greek, if you don't speak Greek).
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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby Car » 2018-05-18, 18:39

:bounce: :y:

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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby JackFrost » 2018-05-19, 0:12

Ciarán12 wrote:I think it depends on the kind of Portuguese. PT-BR doesn't sound too out-of-the-ordinary for a romance language (well, the nasal vowels are kind of odd, but that's about it). PT-PT and Azorean especially are pretty crazy.

And depending how a person sees it, eh? :P

Basically, not only nasal vowels, but rich vowel inventory. And plus, their habit to affricate t and d before front vowels, which is a feature found in North American French.

They just suck at rounded vs unrounded just like the rest of the Romance speakers.

IpseDixit wrote:And if you look at the languages of Northern Italy, French will look even less of an oddball.

Hmmm, not too surprised? Considering they're part of the group that French is also part of, but not Italian, and plus influences from German (I think so, if not please correct me).

Again, just depending how a person sees it. Italian tends to be conservative in its evolution from Latin whereas French and Portuguese went pretty far from it.
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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby księżycowy » 2018-05-19, 0:26

Car wrote:If you need help, shout.

AAAAAAAH!

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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby Ciarán12 » 2018-05-19, 11:25

JackFrost wrote:Basically, not only nasal vowels, but rich vowel inventory.


Again, depends on the dialect. Most PT-BR varieties have the standard 5 vowels /a/, /o/, /u/, /e/, /i/ plus /ɛ/ and /ɔ/ and the nasal vowels. EP has schwas and Azorean has /y/ and /œ/ and sounds kind of French because of that.

JackFrost wrote:And plus, their habit to affricate t and d before front vowels, which is a feature found in North American French.


As far as I know, that doesn't happen in EP, and it's not even universal in PT-BR - dialects of the north-east of Brazil don't have that, for example. I didn't know it was a thing in North American French though. Now I'm curious. (You're making me wanderlust for Quebecois French!)

JackFrost wrote:They just suck at rounded vs unrounded just like the rest of the Romance speakers.


Except the Açoreanos ;)

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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby JackFrost » 2018-05-20, 17:53

Ciarán12 wrote:Again, depends on the dialect. Most PT-BR varieties have the standard 5 vowels /a/, /o/, /u/, /e/, /i/ plus /ɛ/ and /ɔ/ and the nasal vowels. EP has schwas and Azorean has /y/ and /œ/ and sounds kind of French because of that.

Then nasal vowels, which are distinct from their non-nasal counterparts. Then diphthongs. That's a bit heavy for a Romance language that usually only know 4-5 vowels plus diphthongs.

JackFrost wrote:As far as I know, that doesn't happen in EP, and it's not even universal in PT-BR - dialects of the north-east of Brazil don't have that, for example. I didn't know it was a thing in North American French though. Now I'm curious. (You're making me wanderlust for Quebecois French!)

That's why I use "habit" because I fully know that not all variants do that. I guess I should've said "tendency". :wink:

Basic rule for French : /d/ and /t/ before /i/, /y/, and /u/ become [d͡z]/[t͡s] in Quebecois; become [d͡ʒ]/[t͡ʃ] in Acadian. Actually, Acadian goes further including /e/, /ø/, /ɛ/ and /œ/ (including their nasal counterparts) in the affrication process. :D

And it's one of a few best ways to spot a Quebecois. Affrication is so entrenched in the language that it's even part of our standard version of French.

JackFrost wrote:Except the Açoreanos ;)

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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby Car » 2018-05-20, 18:58

księżycowy wrote:
Car wrote:If you need help, shout.

AAAAAAAH!

:lol: You're welcome, too, of course.
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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby księżycowy » 2018-05-20, 19:37

Dankeschön! :lol:

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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby Saim » 2018-05-21, 5:47

JackFrost wrote:Then diphthongs. That's a bit heavy for a Romance language that usually only know 4-5 vowels plus diphthongs.


I think most Romance languages would be closer to having 7 vowels given how common the e-ɛ and o-ɔ distincions are. Really Spanish (and Asturleonese, Aragonese) is the odd one out here. Romanian doesn't have /ɔ/ or /ɛ/ but it makes up for it by adding /ə/ and /ɨ/ (the latter is common in North Slavic, too).

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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby IpseDixit » 2018-05-21, 8:48

Which Romance language has 4 vowels? :hmm:

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Re: Random language thread 5

Postby atalarikt » 2018-05-21, 15:33

Saim wrote:I think most Romance languages would be closer to having 7 vowels given how common the e-ɛ and o-ɔ distincions are. Really Spanish (and Asturleonese, Aragonese) is the odd one out here. Romanian doesn't have /ɔ/ or /ɛ/ but it makes up for it by adding /ə/ and /ɨ/ (the latter is common in North Slavic, too).

Wait, aren't there only three groups of Slavic languages (West, East and South)?
وَمِنْ آيَاتِهِ خَلْقُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَاخْتِلَافُ أَلْسِنَتِكُمْ وَأَلْوَانِكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ فِي ذَٰلِكَ لَآيَاتٍ لِلْعَالِمِينَ۝
"And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your languages and your colors. Indeed in that are signs for those of knowledge." (Ar-Rum: 22)

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