vijayjohn wrote:No, there aren't. I don't even really understand how that's possible, although perhaps that depends on what you mean by "well." How do you get to an advanced level in a language without a strong motivation to study it up to that point? By involuntary immersion or something?
kevin wrote:vijayjohn wrote:No, there aren't. I don't even really understand how that's possible, although perhaps that depends on what you mean by "well." How do you get to an advanced level in a language without a strong motivation to study it up to that point? By involuntary immersion or something?
Can't you still have a strong extrinsic motivation to learn a language even if you can't stand it, e.g. you need it for your job? I mean, "cannot stand" is by far too strong for me, but I speak English and don't particularly care for it. Learning it is just a necessity, not a fun hobby.
france-eesti wrote:And now I'm a grown up and feel hatred every time I hear Spanish being spoken and if someone speaks Spanish to me, I'll answer in English or in Portuguese. And I have no idea why (maybe I should start a therapy for that).
(except when I was in love with that Portuguese boy I only met in the Spanish class).
france-eesti wrote:Ahah ! pode ser que tenha alguma razão... Só que a verdadeira questão para mim é :
- por que tanto detesto o espanhol?
vijayjohn wrote:But how well do you need to know English for your job anyway? Do you need to have near-native fluency, do you just need a working knowledge of it, or do you need something in the middle?
kevin wrote:The original question was about "speak well", which I think we can assume when you can communicate confidently on the phone about your work, no matter if the grammar is off occasionally.
vijayjohn wrote:I don't see why we should assume this because in practice, people mean all kinds of different things by "speak well," and in any case, how confidently you can talk on the phone about your work in a given language is going to require different amounts of effort depending on what kind of work you're doing in the first place. I think if you're an interpreter, you need to know a lot more than a nurse, who in turn may need to know considerably more than a bus driver.
mōdgethanc wrote:certain attitudes of white L2 speakers that I associate with it.
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