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Re: Please identify the language

Postby IpseDixit » 2017-03-11, 8:14

vijayjohn wrote:Maybe it's a message along the same lines as "all lives matter," though, so not really a message for equality.


Exactly.

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Re: Please identify the language

Postby Vlürch » 2017-03-11, 9:22

vijayjohn wrote:Maybe it's a message along the same lines as "all lives matter," though, so not really a message for equality.

But "all lives matter" is literally as equal as it gets. How anyone can be against saying "all lives matter" without admitting that they don't think all lives matter is beyond me. I don't think I'd have half as big a problem with SJWs if they honestly admitted that they don't think all lives matter, but claiming to think that all lives matter while getting up in arms against anyone saying "all lives matter" is just so hypocritical that it hurts. :?

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Re: Please identify the language

Postby Osias » 2017-03-11, 13:33

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Re: Please identify the language

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-03-11, 16:03

Vlürch wrote:
vijayjohn wrote:Maybe it's a message along the same lines as "all lives matter," though, so not really a message for equality.

But "all lives matter" is literally as equal as it gets. How anyone can be against saying "all lives matter" without admitting that they don't think all lives matter is beyond me.

I knew you'd say something like this. So here ya go!

...Wait. Dammit! Where'd it go?? Oh right, here it is:
Imagine that you’re sitting down to dinner with your family, and while everyone else gets a serving of the meal, you don’t get any. So you say “I should get my fair share.” And as a direct response to this, your dad corrects you, saying, “everyone should get their fair share.” Now, that’s a wonderful sentiment — indeed, everyone should, and that was kinda your point in the first place: that you should be a part of everyone, and you should get your fair share also. However, dad’s smart-ass comment just dismissed you and didn’t solve the problem that you still haven’t gotten any!

The problem is that the statement “I should get my fair share” had an implicit “too” at the end: “I should get my fair share, too, just like everyone else.” But your dad’s response treated your statement as though you meant “only I should get my fair share”, which clearly was not your intention. As a result, his statement that “everyone should get their fair share,” while true, only served to ignore the problem you were trying to point out.

That’s the situation of the “black lives matter” movement. Culture, laws, the arts, religion, and everyone else repeatedly suggest that all lives should matter. Clearly, that message already abounds in our society.


The problem is that, in practice, the world doesn’t work that way. You see the film Nightcrawler? You know the part where Renee Russo tells Jake Gyllenhal that she doesn’t want footage of a black or latino person dying, she wants news stories about affluent white people being killed? That’s not made up out of whole cloth — there is a news bias toward stories that the majority of the audience (who are white) can identify with. So when a young black man gets killed (prior to the recent police shootings), it’s generally not considered “news”, while a middle-aged white woman being killed is treated as news. And to a large degree, that is accurate — young black men are killed in significantly disproportionate numbers, which is why we don’t treat it as anything new. But the result is that, societally, we don’t pay as much attention to certain people’s deaths as we do to others. So, currently, we don’t treat all lives as though they matter equally.

Just like asking dad for your fair share, the phrase “black lives matter” also has an implicit “too” at the end: it’s saying that black lives should also matter. But responding to this by saying “all lives matter” is willfully going back to ignoring the problem. It’s a way of dismissing the statement by falsely suggesting that it means “only black lives matter,” when that is obviously not the case. And so saying “all lives matter” as a direct response to “black lives matter” is essentially saying that we should just go back to ignoring the problem.

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Re: Please identify the language

Postby Blonders » 2017-03-25, 4:45

Hi there, I guess this would be the right post to use :)

I am hoping somebody on this forum may understand what this language is?
And if so what does it mean.
It is a puzzle to us at the moment.
Somebody has previously suggested it is Korean and if you look at the line on the bottom right I did find when googling that would mean the letter I.
But I could be wrong there.
Also maybe the picture is the wrong way up as well?

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Thanks for any help ! :D

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Re: Please identify the language

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-03-25, 5:00

It's the Chinese character 福 meaning 'good fortune', 'blessing', 'happiness', or 'prosperity'. It's upside-down, and this character is often hung upside-down for Chinese New Year because 福倒了 fú dàole 'good fortune is upside-down' is pronounced exactly the same way as 福到了 'good fortune has arrived' at least in Mandarin.

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Re: Please identify the language

Postby Osias » 2017-03-25, 11:24

Also, welcome to Unilang!
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Re: Please identify the language

Postby Blonders » 2017-03-25, 14:13

Oh that was really fast! Thank you very much for your response vijayjohn! I am sure glad it is something respectful - after posting i was worried what if it meant something horrid...phew. :lol:
And Osias thanks for your welcome ! :D

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Re: Please identify the language

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-03-25, 14:26

No problem! This was a lot easier to answer than a lot of the other questions we've had on this thread. :D ;)

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Re: Please identify the language

Postby mōdgethanc » 2017-03-25, 23:50

Vlürch wrote:Ohhhh... I thought it meant "nice guy", like how women hate "nice guys" because a lot of guys calling themselves "nice guys" are actual misogynists that go on and on about how they're gentlemen for not raping women, how women secretly enjoy rape and how the only reason they don't rape every woman they see is that they don't want to give them free sex, because they think they're entitled to have sex with any woman at any time but that no woman should ever be allowed to choose who she has sex with, and who genuinely believe in a patriarchy that will have their back when they finally snap and go on a random killing spree. You know, the "nice guys" like Elliot Rodger...

But "all lives matter" is literally as equal as it gets. How anyone can be against saying "all lives matter" without admitting that they don't think all lives matter is beyond me. I don't think I'd have half as big a problem with SJWs if they honestly admitted that they don't think all lives matter, but claiming to think that all lives matter while getting up in arms against anyone saying "all lives matter" is just so hypocritical that it hurts. :?
If you can understand that "But I'm a nice guy!" means "I'm a misogynist creep", and that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is neither democratic nor a republic nor for the people, then you can understand that "all lives matter" really means "black lives don't matter to me".

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Re: Please identify the language

Postby linguoboy » 2017-03-26, 0:53

mōdgethanc wrote:
But "all lives matter" is literally as equal as it gets. How anyone can be against saying "all lives matter" without admitting that they don't think all lives matter is beyond me. I don't think I'd have half as big a problem with SJWs if they honestly admitted that they don't think all lives matter, but claiming to think that all lives matter while getting up in arms against anyone saying "all lives matter" is just so hypocritical that it hurts. :?
If you can understand that "But I'm a nice guy!" means "I'm a misogynist creep", and that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is neither democratic nor a republic nor for the people, then you can understand that "all lives matter" really means "black lives don't matter to me".

As W. Kamau Bell points out in the video below (4:26) "That's not a thing. Nobody said 'All lives matter' before Black Lives Matter."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXeQMcleiME
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Re: Please identify the language

Postby Moraczewski » 2017-04-11, 5:54

Hello! This is a recording of various shortwave radio stations. Could you help me identify the languages? I guess there are at least four languages.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s065PFA0kQAZ

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Re: Please identify the language

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-04-12, 0:51

I hear three: Persian, Turkish, and Hausa, in that order.

Nice songs btw! :lol:

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Re: Please identify the language

Postby Moraczewski » 2017-04-12, 7:44

vijayjohn wrote:I hear three: Persian, Turkish, and Hausa, in that order.

Thanks! Since I started listening to shortwave I have a few recordings in unidentified languages. Here is another:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1hfXO77ICEc
As far as I can tell there are four languages: at 0:00, at 2:29, at 4:34 and at 5:00. Most popular languages in shortwave broadcast are Persian, Arabic, Chinese, Turkish, Hausa, Amharic, Somali and some others, so it's probable that the languages are some of those. (I don't speak any of them and still can't tell one from another!)

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Re: Please identify the language

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-04-12, 12:26

Moraczewski wrote:I don't speak any of them and still can't tell one from another!

In your last recording, the Persian recording included the words "Iran" and "Tehran" and the Hausa recording included the word "Hausa." :P

In this one, I think the first language might actually be Congolese Swahili because what little I can clearly make out sounds like Swahili for the most part but with some French words mixed in. Or it might be a closely related language, like Kinyarwanda or Kirundi. I think the second at 2:29 is Mandarin Chinese, but the third language, which seems to be Modern Standard Arabic, comes soon after that around 3:10. The last one around 5:00 appears to be Pashto.

I remember one time md0 caught a radio station in my own heritage language, Malayalam. :D

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Re: Please identify the language

Postby Moraczewski » 2017-05-17, 9:58

Hi! It's me again with radio recordings.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1R8YjMxNFYa

It starts with Russian with heavy accent but at 0:40 switches to an unknown language.

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Re: Please identify the language

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-05-17, 12:17

I'm guessing Bengali, and then I think Hindi from 0:50 or something to about 1:18, then Bengali again?

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Re: Help discovering the language (and the lyrics) of this audio clip ("filament" by Yousei Teikoku)

Postby NTxC » 2017-05-19, 3:49

NTxC wrote:Greetings,

I'm determined to discover the language (and lyrics) of a specific fragment in a song, "filament" by Yousei Teikoku.

I've created an acapella version of the fragment to understand it easier. Here's the link to the audio clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiEKveNBMzY

The song is in Japanese, but this segment is pretty strange as it doesn't sound very Japanese to me.

Here's the full song (the fragment is between 0:17 - 0:28):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfxYLORjWCg

Any help would be appreciated!
Patrick


Greetings!

After a few months, I managed to get this question through to the writer of the song, Yui Itsuki herself. Here's the amusing answer I got:

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Me: “In ‘Filament’, at the beginning of the song (0:16-0:27) there are 4 mysterious lines that you sing but are not documented anywhere, not even in the official lyrics booklet! What do you sing there?”

Yui: "To be honest, I can’t remember very well, but they are words for fairies and not for humans, therefore don’t worry if you can’t understand."


Link to the interview: http://manga.tokyo/interview/an-intervi ... teikoku/2/

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Re: Please identify the language

Postby Moraczewski » 2017-05-24, 9:01

Hi! My shortwave listening goes on, and here is another unknown language
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1OUgAe4obIN
It seems to have long vowels and consonants like Finnish, but it's definitely not Finnish.

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Re: Please identify the language

Postby IpseDixit » 2017-05-24, 10:06

Moraczewski wrote:Hi! My shortwave listening goes on, and here is another unknown language
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1OUgAe4obIN
It seems to have long vowels and consonants like Finnish, but it's definitely not Finnish.


To me it sounds like Malay, though the man seems to be speaking Mandarin or some other Chinese language.


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