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Re: Cognates

Postby OldBoring » 2016-04-04, 19:15

lolwut godere e gioire are cognates/related?

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Re: Cognates

Postby vijayjohn » 2016-04-04, 20:20

Koko wrote:Thou art rude, Vijay :hmpf:

I dig up every Romance cognate there is just for you (and every corresponding flag, and get flags from Wikipedia for languages that aren't even listed...) and then give you back your life. So mean, right? :lol:
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OldBoring wrote:lolwut godere e gioire are cognates/related?

Yep. Apparently, godere is a native Italian word, and gioire is borrowed from Old French joir 'to take pleasure, to enjoy'.

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Re: Cognates

Postby харийн хүн » 2016-06-05, 11:38

Persian (fa) اشتر [oʃtor] - camel
Tajik (tg) уштур [uʃtur] - camel
Cognates or has the Persian word just been loaned:
аштар [ɑʃtɒr] - camel
Kurdish (ku) حوشتر [ħuʃtɪr] - camel
Baluchi (bal) اشتر /uʃtar/ - camel
Rajasthani (raj) ओठारू (oṭhārū) - camel
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Re: Cognates

Postby Sundor Bhasa » 2017-04-26, 21:04

Some Indo-European cognates I can think of:

[flag=]nl[/flag] kind and [flag=]de[/flag] Kind "child'
[flag=]en[/flag] kin
[flag=]la[/flag] genus, gignere
[flag=]grc[/flag] genos, gignesthai, genesis
[flag=]lv[/flag] dzimt "to be born"
all from a root genh- "to be born"

[flag=]nl[/flag] vragen and [flag=]de[/flag] Fragen "to ask"
[flag=]la[/flag] preces "prayers"
[flag=]lv[/flag] prasīt "to ask"
[flag=]bn[/flag] proshno "question"

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Re: Cognates

Postby Michael » 2017-04-27, 20:07

such [a] (+noun):
[flag=]fr[/flag] tel, telle
[flag=]es[/flag][flag=]pt[/flag] tal
[flag=]sq[/flag] i,e tillë

[flag=]nl[/flag] vragen and [flag=]de[/flag] Fragen "to ask"
[flag=]sq[/flag] pyes "to ask"
[flag=]la[/flag] preces "prayers"
[flag=]lv[/flag] prasīt "to ask"
[flag=]bn[/flag] proshno "question"
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Re: Cognates

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-08-18, 20:42

Michael wrote:[flag=]nl[/flag] vragen and [flag=]de[/flag] Fragen "to ask"
[flag=]sq[/flag] pyes "to ask"
[flag=]la[/flag] preces "prayers"
[flag=]lv[/flag] prasīt "to ask"
[flag=]bn[/flag] proshno "question"

Malayalam (ml) പ്രശ്നം [prɛɕˈnəm] - problem

This is kind of interesting:

English (en) compound
Indonesian (id) kampung - small hamlet
Malay (ms) kampung - village, community (and compound, according to Hobson-Jobson)
Khmer (km) កំពែង kâmpêng - fortress wall, rampart; fence, stone wall; fortress, fortification; precinct, enclosure (from Old Khmer)
Khmer (km) កំពង់ kâmpông - port, landing; river town; waterfront (also from Old Khmer)
Thai (th) กำแพง kam-phɛɛng - wall (surrounding a town, a temple)
Lao (lo) ກຳແພງ kam phǣng - city wall, rampart

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Re: Cognates

Postby linguoboy » 2017-08-18, 20:54

Here I thought compound and kampung were just coincidental!
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Re: Cognates

Postby Karavinka » 2017-09-09, 20:57

(mn) mor'
(mnc) morin
(ko) mal

"horse"

(mn) luus
(mnc) loosa
(ko) nosae

"mule"; l > n is a common phenomenon in ko

I think "horse" is pretty well established to be loanwords. I think "mule" must also be, but I couldn't verify it through external sources.
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Re: Cognates

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-09-09, 21:10

I have no idea about that Manchu word for 'mule' and can't tell where you got it from, but the Korean and Mongolian equivalents are both from Chinese.

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Re: Cognates

Postby Karavinka » 2017-09-09, 21:52

vijayjohn wrote:I have no idea about that Manchu word for 'mule' and can't tell where you got it from, but the Korean and Mongolian equivalents are both from Chinese.


I wouldn't be surprised if the Mongolian word originated from Chinese. Afaik, what is established is that the Korean word for 'horse' is imported via Mongolian, not directly from Chinese.

The word for 'mule' can be found in Manchu: A Textbook for Reading Documents as loosa on p.362, as losa on the glossary, and Norman lists lorin for a mule.
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Re: Cognates

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-09-09, 21:57

Karavinka wrote:Afaik, what is established is that the Korean word for 'horse' is imported via Mongolian, not directly from Chinese.

I didn't know that was established, but it seems likely at least that it comes from some Central Asian languages because a lot of those have similar words for 'horse'.
The word for 'mule' can be found in Manchu: A Textbook for Reading Documents as loosa on p.362, as losa on the glossary, and Norman lists lorin for a mule.

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