JackFrost wrote:Yes. And?
I daresay he's mistaken or is remembering something else.
Well, if you're right, then I'm curious as to why he said that.
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JackFrost wrote:Yes. And?
I daresay he's mistaken or is remembering something else.
mōdgethanc wrote:I couldn't care more about "could care less", but I couldn't care fewer about fewer vs. less.
Marah wrote:mōdgethanc wrote:I couldn't care more about "could care less", but I couldn't care fewer about fewer vs. less.
Yeah me too, "I could care less" literally means the opposite of what I would want to say...
linguoboy wrote:Which is completely moot because it's an idiom like, "Yeah, right" or "You must be very proud of yourself".
Marah wrote:linguoboy wrote:Which is completely moot because it's an idiom like, "Yeah, right" or "You must be very proud of yourself".
I don't know, the "it's meant to be ironic" explanation doesn't really satisfy me in this case.
linguoboy wrote:But again, what does the etymology matter any more? You have to be a pedant of the highest order to understand "I could care less" as meaning anything other than "I don't care".
Marah wrote:linguoboy wrote:But again, what does the etymology matter any more? You have to be a pedant of the highest order to understand "I could care less" as meaning anything other than "I don't care".
If you say "I could care less" ironically than what you mean is "I could care more" which implies that you care a least a little bit. And that's not what "I couldn't care less" means, that is, "I don't care at all".
Marah wrote:Using "I could care less" to mean "I couldn't care less" is weird to me, I prefer avoiding it.
linguoboy wrote:See above. I know how the highest order of pedantry argument goes, I just can't swallow it. The bottom line is: Everyone knows what someone means when they say this, so why get bent out of shape over the precise wording? It's on a par with arguing against "pretty ugly" or "the more the better"
See, how hard was that? You're allowed to have an aesthetic objection to anything you want without having to cook up some tortuous justification.
Marah wrote:Sure, everyone understands it but I'm just saying that my aesthetic objection stems from a logical contradiction of the idiom, that's all.
JackFrost wrote:Yes. And?
I daresay he's mistaken or is remembering something else.
Itikar wrote:I am a happy prescriptivist.
I do however infringe with pride all the ghost rules of Italian.
"A me mi" is the most famous one of this. While the form is perfectly okay in colloquial Italian it has been historically stigmatised as a pleonasm.
Saim wrote:In Catalan I tend to be a bit more puristic than in other languages, because all the influence is coming form one source (i.e. Spanish) that is also displacing it in some areas. However, there are some words that people see as "incorrect" but are just non-prestigious forms that have nothing to do with Spanish, for example I tend to pluralise things that in colloquial Catalan are often pluralised but are not admitted into the standard (hi han prous cotxes, tinc forces exemples). I also like the the use of the nominative I as the indirect object even though this is only present in the Balearics (a jo m'agrada instead of a mi m'agrada).
Youngfun wrote:Italian must be the only language in the world where schools teach more rules than official grammars (Accademia della Crusca and important grammars/dictionaries). Or rather, invents rules that don't exist.
linguoboy wrote:To take one example: that vs which in relative clauses. I'd never heard of this "rule" until my first year of college, when one of my professors mentioned it to me and suggested I observe it. I took it for what it was: a stylistic guideline. Since then, however, I've met people who learned it as inviolable and look upon any deviation as wronger than wrong
linguoboy wrote:Oh, I don't agree. That's one of the factors which makes prescriptivist arguments so contentious: everyone learned the One True English at school, and none of these varieties are quite the same.
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