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Re: Ugliest language

Postby Michael » 2010-07-29, 6:50

(this was a warped duplicate of my following post)
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Re: Ugliest language

Postby Michael » 2010-07-29, 6:52

Sirach wrote:But there is that sense of exoticism that may make a language sound interesting... French used to be exotic to me, but as I ended up making French immersion friends, going to QC for two months, listening to the language, etc. it just sounds... normalised. The element of exoticism in French of which I perceived as sensual and romantic disappeared on me, lol.

En particulier quand on parle le joual la... :D

The exact same with me and Portuguese. Before when I only heard Brazilians speak and Portuguese sing, it just sounded like gibberish to me..

Nowadays Brazilian Portuguese literally sounds similar to its sister French, especially when you consider the consistency of that sound which is like a Parisian r; of a slightly different variation of those nasal sounds we associate with French; of the addition of 2+ simple affricates (dʒ+tʒ); and finally, of the loss of the final -r! Yay! Which makes me love the songs of Fafá De Belém (pron., fafah jee behleym) even more! (Not really because of that!)

Now I love European Portuguese and its long literary history, longer general history, and especially its fado, but as the Onion says, it really just sounds like people speaking Spanish with their mouth full of olives! They need to speak slowly! And enunciate! (The Brazilians enunciate too much perhaps!)

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Re: Ugliest language

Postby Śrāmaṇera » 2010-07-29, 9:37

I don't like calling any language "ugly" but I definitely don't enjoy listening to Portuguese and Dutch.

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Re: Ugliest language

Postby Johanna » 2010-07-29, 11:37

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Czwartek wrote:I'm sure I've heard the voiceless velar fricative in the word ikke in some dialect, but I could be mistaken.

I think you're thinking of maybe a voiceless palatal fricative. I've heard that in words like ikke.

Exactly, that's why it's spelt "ikkje" in Nynorsk.

I don't know how you perceive the voicelass palatal fricative Czwartek, but people from the southern half of Sweden learning German often mistake it for our back sje-sound, which is, or is very close to, the voiceless velar fricative.
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Re: Ugliest language

Postby Psi-Lord » 2010-07-29, 16:58

I can’t think of any languages I might dislike. Sometimes I think I might actually dislike English – especially American variants –, but I’m so used to it I can’t ‘feel’ the way it sounds anymore. I didn’t particularly like Spanish in the past, but nowadays I actually do.

Carioca Portuguese is pain to my ears, though. :P
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Re: Ugliest language

Postby Sirach » 2010-07-29, 18:34

Michael wrote:The exact same with me and Portuguese. Before when I only heard Brazilians speak and Portuguese sing, it just sounded like gibberish to me..

Now I love European Portuguese and its long literary history, longer general history, and especially its fado, but as the Onion says, it really just sounds like people speaking Spanish with their mouth full of olives! They need to speak slowly! And enunciate! (The Brazilians enunciate too much perhaps!)


Hahaha, I'm so used to listening and hearing to joual that when I hear Parisien spoken by people in Canada asides from the television, I become stupefied with confusion. :mrgreen:

Meh, I would rather onions in their mouths than Brazilian Portuguese with a completely open mouth, like seeing food...

I really dislike Brazilian Portuguese pronunciation, in comparison to European. Always have... I love Portuguese... just never Brazilian, although I love their culture in itself.

Talib wrote:I also had a Taiwanese instructor (actually a native of Nantong 南通 in Jiangsu). This caused some difficulties for many of my classmates because of her inconsistent attempts to distinguish the retroflex series. (She seemed to hypercorrect as often as merge.) But I appreciated the fact that she tolerated my saying 哪裡? instead of 哪兒?. (I do say nǎr sometimes, but only the way I do yìdiǎnr--i.e. as a joke.)


Hahaha... nar... yidianr... Most of my Mandarin language classmates were Cantonese speaking Hongcouverites, so even when I was using Taiwanese pronunciation, people could still understand, and my instructor, perhaps somewhat kind, tolerated my linguistic misbehaviour. ;)

Just like how I'm used to speaking French joual instead of the Parisien generally taught in schools... :twisted:

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Re: Ugliest language

Postby Michael » 2010-07-30, 2:37

Psi-Lord wrote:I can’t think of any languages I might dislike. Sometimes I think I might actually dislike English – especially American variants –, but I’m so used to it I can’t ‘feel’ the way it sounds anymore. I didn’t particularly like Spanish in the past, but nowadays I actually do.

Carioca Portuguese is pain to my ears, though. :P
I could possibly hate my own native language English slightly :? It's just that I would rather sound better speaking Scottish English. Because I was first spoken to in Neapolitan (being born American still), my adventures with the American letter r have went pretty painful especially, not to mention that when speaking fast I would confuse my r's and w's, and when they collided into wr, total havoc! It's all fixed today, but I still can never seem to get rid of that accent people say I have. Overall I'm pretty proud of the American English dialect, but the language itself I don't sit well with.

Now Psi-Lord, I felt the same way with Portuguese, it sounded so unique from any other language I knew (probably because I barely knew any other language that long ago, or at least how they sounded), but now, I'm used to those distinct bits of both Portuguese dialects which make them unique now. And yeah, in the past, Portuguese was a language I wanted to avoid (such as I do with Finnish), yet now, I love it as much as my own Spanish and Neapolitan!

BTW: I'm learning to speak Brazilian Portuguese in the Carioca accent :twisted: I hope that doesn't disappoint you, being from São Paulo and not Rio de Janeiro! Logo boa sorte com as tuas experiências com os falantes do dialecto carioca! Boa sorte também quando fores no Rio da próxima vez! Oh, e devo admitir a todos vocês que uso um spellchecker quando escrevo o português a máquina!
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Re: Ugliest language

Postby ich » 2010-07-30, 7:09

As a whole, I have to agree that English is pretty ugly. I don't like most of the American dialects. I really only like the dialect around the Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana areas, everything else is really ugly.
As far as English in other countries go, I like most accents, especially a Scottish accent or Nova Scotian accent.

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Re: Ugliest language

Postby Siegel » 2010-07-30, 7:43

I like the English language and American accents in particular. I also like accents from Scotland. I don't like proper English accents (from England), I mean the ones that aren't associated with the lower class, but I don't think they're terrible. The only accent I really think is kind of ugly is the Australian accent.

I agree with ich that those southern dialects are nice.
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Re: Ugliest language

Postby Śrāmaṇera » 2010-07-30, 8:20

As surprising at it may be, I like the Aussie accent. Especially spoken by old women.

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Re: Ugliest language

Postby svld » 2010-07-30, 12:12

I hate Korean, most southeast asia languages, and every tonal language except the ones (Mandarin with the standard accent of Taiwan, and Minnan with the more zhangzhou sounding varieties among the southern Taiwanese accents) I speak natively.
I don't like spoken Romance in general, too.
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Re: Ugliest language

Postby Śrāmaṇera » 2010-07-30, 14:16

I hate Wuhanese accent in China :)

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Re: Ugliest language

Postby Psi-Lord » 2010-07-30, 16:38

Curiously, by the way, although I’ve said I might’ve disliked English in a parallel dimension, I was thinking of the spoken, everyday language only – I quite like its orthography (with all the quirks, problems and whatnot that come with it), and I think it’s an awesome language for one to sing in. :)
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Re: Ugliest language

Postby Emandir » 2010-07-30, 17:10

Why the hell are you guys arguing? The ugliest language ever is Dutch, full stop!
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Re: Ugliest language

Postby Lada » 2010-07-30, 17:15

Mongol wrote:I've been able to hear Chechen on globalrecordings.net, and it sounds like just about the harshest sounding language I've ever heard, though fascinating to listen to. It's very explosive and abrupt sounding, and sounds as though the speaker had a bad attack of hiccups because of the many ejective consonants and harsh velar sounds.
It also sounds like a tape recording of some one speaking some language backwards !
It sounds more like Klingon than a human language. Still,it's mesmerizing.
Circassian sounds as though the speakers were talking with their mouths full of food !

I happen to hear languages from Caucasus area quite often (there are many people from there around), I do not distinguish them, but all of them sound just like you described Chechen. They are really unpleasant for untrained ears... so all these languages - Chechen, Georgian, Dagestanian etc. - are at number 1 in my list of "ugly" ones and nothing can really beat them.

Arabic and Hebrew sound better, but I don't like them either.
From European languages, I would point at Dutch, at least one its dialect sounds even scary to me...
Unlike many people I dislike how Spanish sounds, can't figure out why many people like it so much...

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Re: Ugliest language

Postby Oleksij » 2010-07-30, 19:24

I personally dislike the sounds of Mandarin (not Cantonese, it sounds cool), Korean, Portuguese (any variety), nasal redneck American English a la GWB and Latin American Spanish. Oh, and Cypriot Greek. They speak as if they have hot potatoes in their mouths.
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Re: Ugliest language

Postby Śrāmaṇera » 2010-07-30, 21:16

Emandir wrote:Why the hell are you guys arguing? The ugliest language ever is Dutch, full stop!


Have you ever heard Danish ?

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Re: Ugliest language

Postby Formiko » 2010-07-31, 5:23

Danish is horrible. I like Castillian Spanish, but I really hate Puerto Rican and Mexican accents. I learned castellano, but it's very hard to speak it here (in NY at least) when every Mexican is whistling at women and hollering "hey chingado!", and then go into proper castillian speech. ;)
My neighbor, who is Mexican from Puebla, has a 16 yr old son. They speak nothing but Spanish at their house. When I fixed their computer last week, I told the son "tu padre tiene que sustituir la tarjeta madre", he said to me "Huh? What are you saying?"
Either he was being a complete maricón and chingado, or he forgot Spanish.
(Sorry, this is the wrong forum for my rant. But el pinchazito siempre dice esa mierda....)
I speak to his parents everyday in Spanish and we never miscommunicate, but he acts like I'm speaking Chinese. My son says the kid downplays the fact that he's Mexican. My son says he's never even heard him speak Spanish....oh well)
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Re: Ugliest language

Postby Emandir » 2010-07-31, 5:46

Nejimakidori wrote:
Emandir wrote:Why the hell are you guys arguing? The ugliest language ever is Dutch, full stop!


Have you ever heard Danish ?
Yes, I've seen Babettes gæstebud and a couple of von Trier's movies: Danish is a delight compared to Dutch!
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Re: Ugliest language

Postby Reveuse » 2010-07-31, 7:17

Emandir wrote:
Nejimakidori wrote:
Emandir wrote:Why the hell are you guys arguing? The ugliest language ever is Dutch, full stop!


Have you ever heard Danish ?
Yes, I've seen Babettes gæstebud and a couple of von Trier's movies: Danish is a delight compared to Dutch!


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