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Re: UL Uralic Café

Postby OldBoring » 2017-06-04, 20:36

Why Uralic language now?

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Re: UL Uralic Café

Postby Linguaphile » 2017-06-04, 21:56

OldBoring wrote:Why Uralic language now?

[flag=]et[/flag]Miks mitte?
[flag=]liv[/flag]Mikš mittõ?
[flag=]vep[/flag]Mikš ei?
[flag=]fi[/flag]Miksi ei?
[flag=]vro[/flag]Mille eiq?
[flag=]sme[/flag]Manne ii?
[flag=]vot[/flag]MisseB?
[flag=]hu[/flag]Miért ne?

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Re: UL Uralic Café

Postby OldBoring » 2017-06-18, 11:21

Linguaphile wrote:
OldBoring wrote:Why Uralic language now?

[flag=]et[/flag]Miks mitte?
[flag=]liv[/flag]Mikš mittõ?
[flag=]vep[/flag]Mikš ei?
[flag=]fi[/flag]Miksi ei?
[flag=]vro[/flag]Mille eiq?
[flag=]sme[/flag]Manne ii?
[flag=]vot[/flag]MisseB?
[flag=]hu[/flag]Miért ne?

It was Finnougric languages before.

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Re: UL Uralic Café

Postby Linguaphile » 2017-06-19, 16:14

OldBoring wrote:
Linguaphile wrote:
OldBoring wrote:Why Uralic language now?

[flag=]et[/flag]Miks mitte?
[flag=]liv[/flag]Mikš mittõ?
[flag=]vep[/flag]Mikš ei?
[flag=]fi[/flag]Miksi ei?
[flag=]vro[/flag]Mille eiq?
[flag=]sme[/flag]Manne ii?
[flag=]vot[/flag]MisseB?
[flag=]hu[/flag]Miért ne?

It was Finnougric languages before.

Ahah! Thanks for explaining, I hadn't noticed that. :D
Learning is a treasure that follows its owner everywhere. El aprendizaje es un tesoro que sigue a su dueño por todas partes. Õpitu on aare, mis saadab oma omanikku kõikjal. Lernen ist ein Schatz, der seinem Besitzer überallhin folgt. L'apprentissage est un trésor qui suit son propriétaire partout. Txoj kev kawm yog cov khoom muaj nqis, uas raws nws tus tswv qhov txhia chaw. Op'minõ om aarõq, miä saat uma umanikku egäl puul.

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Re: UL Uralic Café

Postby Levike » 2017-08-13, 18:58

Linguaphile wrote:[flag=]et[/flag] Miks mitte?
[flag=]liv[/flag] Mikš mittõ?
[flag=]vep[/flag] Mikš ei?
[flag=]fi[/flag] Miksi ei?
[flag=]vro[/flag] Mille eiq?
[flag=]sme[/flag] Manne ii?
[flag=]vot[/flag] MisseB?
[flag=]hu[/flag] Miért ne?

Germanic languages have the W. Latin languages have the Q. We have the M. :whistle:
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Re: UL Uralic Café

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-08-13, 20:01

OldBoring wrote:Why Uralic language now?

Because Finno-Ugric is a controversial grouping
Levike wrote:Latin languages have the Q.

Vagy a palatalizáció az a mássalhangzónak :?:

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Re: UL Uralic Café

Postby Levike » 2017-08-13, 21:48

vijayjohn wrote:
Latin languages have the Q.

Vagy a palatalizáció az a mássalhangzónak :?:

Vagy ez, amit mondtál. :mrgreen:

De magyarul is nem minden m-mel kezdődik. Pl: Ki? Hol? Hogyan?
But even in Hu. not everything starts with an m. Ex: Who? Where? How?

De "ki" az hasonlít a finn "kuka"-ra. Mégha mintha törökül is "kim".
But "ki" (who) is similar to the Finnish "kuka". Although in Turkish they also say "kim".
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Re: UL Uralic Café

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-08-13, 22:31

Levike wrote:
vijayjohn wrote:
Latin languages have the Q.

Vagy a palatalizáció az a mássalhangzónak :?:

Vagy ez, amit mondtál. :mrgreen:

De magyarul is nem minden m-mel kezdődik. Pl: Ki? Hol? Hogyan?
But even in Hu. not everything starts with an m. Ex: Who? Where? How?

De "ki" az hasonlít a finn "kuka"-ra. Mégha mintha törökül is "kim".
But "ki" (who) is similar to the Finnish "kuka". Although in Turkish they also say "kim".

Ó igen, értem már!
Oh yeah, now I get it!

A fordításod elolvasása nélkül értettem ez, amit mondtál magyarul. :?: :mrgreen:
I understood what you said in Hungarian without reading your translation.

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Re: UL Uralic Café

Postby Levike » 2017-08-13, 22:48

vijayjohn wrote:A fordításod elolvasása nélkül értettem ezt, amit mondtál magyarul. :?: :mrgreen:
I understood what you said in Hungarian without reading your translation.

Kapsz egy sütit. :mrgreen:
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Re: UL Uralic Café

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-08-13, 23:26

Levike wrote:
vijayjohn wrote:értettem ezt

Dehogynem :doh: :P
Of course
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Re: UL Uralic Café

Postby OldBoring » 2017-08-14, 10:17

vijayjohn wrote:
OldBoring wrote:Why Uralic language now?

Because Finno-Ugric is a controversial grouping

huh.... and there's a Unilanger majoring in Finnougric studies...

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Re: UL Uralic Café

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-08-14, 10:36

OldBoring wrote:
vijayjohn wrote:
OldBoring wrote:Why Uralic language now?

Because Finno-Ugric is a controversial grouping

huh.... and there's a Unilanger majoring in Finnougric studies...

Well, it's a traditional grouping of languages, including everything in the Uralic family except the Samoyedic languages. However, it's been challenged by linguists more recently. In general, it's not clear how exactly the Uralic languages are related to each other, apparently due to a lack of data from most of these languages.

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Re: UL Uralic Café

Postby OldBoring » 2017-08-14, 10:40

Well, from my understanding, I think there's a difference between language group and language family.
Language family means that languages are related, language group not necessarily.
Maybe we can consider the Finno-ugric a language group, but not necessarily a language family.

Just like Altaic languages are not a language family, yet one is free to study all of languages considered to pertain tho this grouping.

Or how there's the concept of "East Asian languages" (Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese) because they share some history and culture and loanwords, but they are not related languages.

I need subtitles. :para:

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Re: UL Uralic Café

Postby Hent » 2017-08-14, 11:09

OldBoring wrote:Well, from my understanding, I think there's a difference between language group and language family.
Language family means that languages are related, language group not necessarily.
Maybe we can consider the Finno-ugric a language group, but not necessarily a language family.

Just like Altaic languages are not a language family, yet one is free to study all of languages considered to pertain tho this grouping.

Or how there's the concept of "East Asian languages" (Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese) because they share some history and culture and loanwords, but they are not related languages.

I need subtitles. :para:


I don't wanna use up my dad's data, but since the title is in Slovak I would hazard it being mocking of Hungarian and not the real language. Not sure though.

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Re: UL Uralic Café

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-08-14, 11:13

OldBoring wrote:Well, from my understanding, I think there's a difference between language group and language family.

I prefer to call something just a "group" when it's part of a larger family, if possible. For example, Indo-European is a family, but Romance is a group within that, etc. In any case, the point was that they were more closely related to each other than to Samoyedic, but my understanding is that this isn't clear from the data.
Just like Altaic languages are not a language family, yet one is free to study all of languages considered to pertain tho this grouping.

Or how there's the concept of "East Asian languages" (Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese) because they share some history and culture and loanwords, but they are not related languages.

Both of these could be linguistic areas, which explains some of the similarities between the languages in question. (Of course, in East Asia, a lot of the similarity is just due to Chinese loanwords :P).
I need subtitles. :para:

Mr. Brown: Ah! Good evening. (Zoltán points out a phrase in his phrasebook) "Pleased to meet you." Ah, well, thank you, heh! Do you speak any English?
Zoltán: [ˈhuŋgri].
B: Hungry?
Z: Igen ('Yes').
B: Do you want something to eat?
Z: Land! [ˈhuŋgri]!
B: Oh! Hungarian!
Z: Igen! Budapest, eh?! Haha!
B: Ah! Well, I'll put you in my register.
Z: Bocsánat ('Sorry')?
B: Er, what is your name?
Z: Bocsánat?
B: Y- your name...Name. What is your name
Z: Á, mi a nevem, angolul! Uh, Zoltán Szabó.
B: Zoltán Double :?: ( :lol: )
Z: Igen.
B: Yes.
Z: Bocsánat?
B: This is yes :yep:, and this is no :nope:.
Z: Ah! Yes :yep:, no :nope:.
B: Correct :?:. Right. I am Mr. Brown, your teacher.
Z: Á! Tanárul!! (<- Says in Hungarian how glad he is to meet his teacher and is looking forward to him helping Zoltán to learn English)
B: Well, I hope that was complimentary!
Z: Bocsánat?
B: Never mind.
Z: Bocsánat?
B: Look...do you know any English?...There.
Z: Á, beszélek angolul? (Oh, do I speak [any] English?) Igen, yes! Ehhh...good, shave, the queue in!
B: "Good shave the queue in"...God Save the Queen?
Z: Yes! More?
B: "More"? Some more English?
Z: Please, thank you.
B: Good! What el...?
Z: [ʃtont͡s]!
B: [ʃtont͡s]?
Z (singing): "Iii caan't get no satisfaactiooon!"
B: Rolling Stones!
Z: Yes!
B: Good! Well done!
Z: Heheh

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Re: UL Uralic Café

Postby OldBoring » 2017-08-14, 11:43

Nagyon szépen köszönjük.

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Re: UL Uralic Café

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-08-14, 17:01

OldBoring wrote:Nagyon szépen köszönjüköm.

Köszönjük = we thank [you for it]
Köszönöm = I thank [you for it]
Nagyon szépen köszönöm = thank you very much, literally 'I thank [you for it] very nicely'

Szívesen!

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Re: UL Uralic Café

Postby Levike » 2017-08-14, 19:16

:rotfl: That video.

Hé, lehet, hogy ÖregUnalmas mindenki nevében mondta a köszönjüköt. :whistle:
Hey, maybe OldBoring is saying thanks on behalf of everyone on Unilang. :whistle:
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Re: UL Uralic Café

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-08-17, 18:44

Jó. :lol:


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