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Re: True false friends 2

Postby Dormouse559 » 2021-03-12, 7:24

OldBoring wrote:(fr) malmener = (en) mistreat
(it) malmenare = to hit sb violently causing injury

Menare also means "to lead" in archaic and literary Italian but that meaning is not used anymore.
Menare means to hit in Central and Southern dialects of Italy, but interestingly menare is not considered Standard Italian, but malmenare yes.

That FB post I linked reads a lot differently with this false friend pair in mind XD
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Re: True false friends 2

Postby Dormouse559 » 2021-03-27, 3:53

(fr)
spray - spray can
bombe - spray can

Basically, everything is a spray can. Also, there's bombe de graisse, which reads to my Anglophone brain as "grease bomb", but actually means "oil spray can".
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Re: True false friends 2

Postby Rí.na.dTeangacha » 2021-04-04, 12:51

(ja) 吠える - /hoeru/ - to bark
(pt-br) roer - /hoer/ - to gnaw

Both being things you might expect of a dog makes it especially confusing in context.
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Re: True false friends 2

Postby vijayjohn » 2021-04-04, 18:27

This one has been coming up fairly often in the South Asian Languages Discord server:

Telugu (te) రండి [ˈrəɳɖi] - please come!
Urdu (ur) رنڈی / Hindi (hi) रंडी [ˈɾəɳɖi] - whore

This is a false friend between Northern and Southern Malayalam: For us in southern Kerala, ഉപ്പേരി [uˈpeːɾi] means 'plantain chips'. In northern Kerala, this is apparently called by the name വറുത്തക്കായ് [ʋərʊt̪aˈkaːj], literally 'fried fruit', and by similar names.

In northern Kerala, ഉപ്പേരി means 'stir-fried plantains'. In southern Kerala, we call this ഏത്തയ്ക്ക മെഴുക്കുപുരട്ടി [ˈeːt̪ɛkʲa mɛɻˈkɯʋɛɾɨʈi] 'plantains seasoned with oil'.

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Re: True false friends 2

Postby Rí.na.dTeangacha » 2021-04-05, 16:42

(ja) コンセント - /konsento/ - wall socket, electrical outlet
(en-gb) consent
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Re: True false friends 2

Postby linguoboy » 2021-04-12, 17:44

(it) siringa syringe
(ca) siringa anal fistula
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Re: True false friends 2

Postby Dormouse559 » 2021-04-20, 4:12

(fr) marathon de la vitesse - speeding crackdown

This literally translates in English as "speed marathon", which doesn't mean much, but I at first interpreted it as referring to some sort of fast footrace.

Le Soir wrote:La police organise un nouveau marathon de la vitesse mercredi

Police organize another speeding crackdown for Wednesday
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Re: True false friends 2

Postby Rí.na.dTeangacha » 2021-04-22, 8:17

(ru) прошлая - last, previous
(pt-br) próxima - next, following

The resemblence isn't extremely close, but close enough that it consistently makes me call the Portuguese word to mind which keeps screwing up my Duolingo answers...
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Re: True false friends 2

Postby Rí.na.dTeangacha » 2021-04-25, 11:59

(ru) тарелки - plates
(pt-br) talheres - cutlery

Again, not as similar as they could be, but their meanings are related to objects frequently used in similar circumstances.
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Re: True false friends 2

Postby Dormouse559 » 2021-04-27, 3:05

(fr) vaccine = (en) cowpox
(en) vaccine = (fr) vaccin
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Re: True false friends 2

Postby Aurora-Evie » 2021-05-01, 5:47

I'm just going to post one of my favourite false friends:

(en) embarrassed - embarrassed
(pt) embaraçado - embarrassed
(es) embarazado - pregnant
(en) English (native)
(es) Spanish (B1)
(art) Neo-Ruetrique (creation in progress)

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Re: True false friends 2

Postby linguoboy » 2021-05-04, 1:44

Just got tripped up by this one:

(de) Teich pond
(yi) טײַך river
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Re: True false friends 2

Postby Rí.na.dTeangacha » 2021-05-07, 6:51

(ru) футболный мяч - a football, a soccer ball
(en-gb) football match

(ru) команда - a team
(en-gb) commander
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Re: True false friends 2

Postby linguoboy » 2021-05-08, 23:28

(tr) kaymak clotted cream
(pl) kajmak caramel cream (i.e. dulce de leche)
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Re: True false friends 2

Postby Rí.na.dTeangacha » 2021-05-10, 22:11

(pt-br) palitó - suit
(ru) пальто - overcoat
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Re: True false friends 2

Postby Linguaphile » 2021-05-11, 1:33

Rí.na.dTeangacha wrote:(pt-br) palitó - suit
(ru) пальто - overcoat

Oh my, such a rabbit hole this led me down...! All because your post made me think of (et) palitu and I just had to look into it....
(es) paletó (generally old-fashioned) suit jacket
(et) palitu overcoat, greatcoat
(vro) päľtu overcoat, greatcoat
(krl) palʹto jacket, coat
(de) Paletot overcoat, greatcoat
(en) paletot various types of loose or fitted overcoats and jackets
(fr) paletot jacket
(es) paletoque cape-like garment from the Middle Ages
(en) paltock short tunic worn beneath armor
(en) pall heavy cloth, shroud, or cloak
(la) pallium cloak
(la) palla a cloth covering fastened with brooches

It seems they ultimately come from (la) palla, which led to (en) paltock, which was then borrowed into French as (fr) paletot, which English then re-borrowed as (en) paletot while other languages also borrowed it from French in various forms; it seems it's completely unknown whether (et) palitu originated from (de) Paletot or (ru) пальто as it could have been either one, and (krl) paľto and (vro) päľtu seem to be more definitively from Russian (as is, for example, (mn) пальто). And according to Wiktionary, in parts of Brazil it's /ˌpa.li.ˈtɔ/ and in others /ˌpa.le.ˈtɔ/ (not sure if the spelling differs too or just pronunciation) and (pt-br) paletó is also slang for "coffin" and therefore also a euphemism for death.
Apparently (en) pall ("heavy cloth, shroud, or cloak") is also where (en) pallbearer comes from (I'd never really thought about what it would refer to specifically, technically it means they carry the shroud, not the coffin or the remains*) and also the saying "to cast a pall over" (again one I'd never stopped to think about where it might come from; it means something figuratively covers the mood or atmosphere like a cloak or shroud).
It's actually really cool although I wasn't expecting to find so much death and gloom among the results of my search. :mrgreen:

*when I was a child, I unfortunately assumed pallbearer was *Paul bearer and wondered who Paul was and why we used his name in this context regardless of who the funeral was actually for.
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Re: True false friends 2

Postby linguoboy » 2021-05-11, 1:47

Linguaphile wrote:(es) paletó (generally old-fashioned) suit jacket

(ca) paletó plasterer's trowel [augmentative of paleta spade, trowel]
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Re: True false friends 2

Postby Linguaphile » 2021-05-11, 2:01

linguoboy wrote:
Linguaphile wrote:(es) paletó (generally old-fashioned) suit jacket

(ca) paletó plasterer's trowel [augmentative of paleta spade, trowel]

Oh yeah, if you want ones that aren't etymologically related, that's a whole 'nother rabbit hole! Spanish has several ((es) paleto is like a hillbilly, redneck, or country bumpkin) and Wiktionary claims that (smi-smk) палльтэ comes from (ru) пальто, but as far as I know the only meaning of (smi-smk) палльтэ is "to be frightened, scared" and that is definitely not related to (ru) пальто. So unless it has a secondary meaning of "coat" (as Glosbe claims but I don't trust it, I'm pretty sure the correct word is пальта for "overcoat" instead of палльтэ), I think Wiktionary and Glosbe have gotten that wrong.

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Re: True false friends 2

Postby linguoboy » 2021-05-13, 21:35

(ca) fregadora kitchen sink
(es-CU) fregadora carwash

(ca) flaca weakness
(es-PE) flaca girlfriend
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Re: True false friends 2

Postby Rí.na.dTeangacha » 2021-05-13, 22:43

linguoboy wrote:(ca) fregadora kitchen sink
(es-CU) fregadora carwash


(pt-br) esfregador - scourer, scrubber
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