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Dogri is an official language of India and it is tonal, so I don't think it would be considered a dialect of Hindi. If anything it would be a dialect of Panjabi, but it's not really that close to either as far as I can tell. Cool language.Meera wrote:Hey everyone! So today I was reading about the Pahari languages in my Hindi reader. It got me interested in them a little but and I was surprised to learn that Nepali is considered a Pahari language (according to this article anyway). Pahari comes from the Hindi/Urdu Pahar, which means mountain, the Pahari languages refer to the languages that are spoken in the low ranges of the Himalayas, so basically it goes through Nepal, Uttarkhand, Himachal Pradesh and Kashmir. These languages are categorized by Eastern, Central and Western. Nepali falls in the eastern category and Himchali (Dogri-Kangri) falls in the Western Category. The article I read says that it is disputed if Himachali is considered a Hindi/Urdu dialect or not. Another interesting fact is that life Punjabi, some Western Pahari languages are even tonal!
Anyway I thought it was interesting and wanted to share these here. I'm not sure how accurate any of this is because I'm not sure how dated the article is, but still I thought it was interesting and wanted to share. I was debating if I should put them in the SA language section or the Hindi/Urdu one, I guess since it's disputed I will put it here in the South Asian languages sections.
TeneReef wrote:Pahari is Kangna's native language.
Meera wrote:Another interesting fact is that life Punjabi, some Western Pahari languages are even tonal!
I was debating if I should put them in the SA language section or the Hindi/Urdu one, I guess since it's disputed I will put it here in the South Asian languages sections.
I think Rajasthani is an official language of India too and maybe Bihari, but some Hindi speakers still argue if it's Hindi or not
vijayjohn wrote:I think Rajasthani is an official language of India too and maybe Bihari, but some Hindi speakers still argue if it's Hindi or not
Neither of them is; in fact, Bihari is a group of languages (including Bhojpuri), not just one, and Rajasthani arguably is, too. The only officially recognized languages in either Rajasthan or Bihar are Hindi and Urdu, and the census figures for "Hindi" seem to include speakers of all Rajasthani varieties as well as Bhojpuri and a number of other varieties that happen to be spoken in the Hindi belt.
Meera wrote:Yeah I know they aren't Hindi. But you'd be surprised, I have gotten in heated arguments with Hindi speakers claiming they are Hindi! I'm actually surprised at how controversial it is.
vijayjohn wrote:Meera wrote:Yeah I know they aren't Hindi. But you'd be surprised, I have gotten in heated arguments with Hindi speakers claiming they are Hindi! I'm actually surprised at how controversial it is.
Oh, sorry, I phrased that pretty poorly. I meant to say they're not official. But yeah, I've seen North Indians assume that all Indians spoke Hindi, too. And there's the whole prestige thing, you know, Hindi being more prestigious than anything else that's spoken in the Hindi belt. You probably know what I'm talking about.
Meera wrote:
I have a Pakistani friend who's family speaks Punjabi every time I was with her, she'd speak to her family on the phone in Punjabi but she always claims it's Urdu and would constantly lecture me on how Urdu and Punjabi were the same language.
Saim wrote:Meera wrote:
I have a Pakistani friend who's family speaks Punjabi every time I was with her, she'd speak to her family on the phone in Punjabi but she always claims it's Urdu and would constantly lecture me on how Urdu and Punjabi were the same language.
Normally they just abandon the language and don't bother with the farce.
Saim wrote:Vijay, is Potohari seen as a "Western Pahari" language?
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