Lenguas wrote:Here's me reading the Lord's Prayer in Japanese. Can you understand it?
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meidei wrote:I didn't expect it to be that bad A transcription maybe? I can only make out some ヨネー (which I guess are supposed to be ように).
After listening to quite a few of his recordings that's my theory.A transcription maybe?
księżycowy wrote:If you hadn't told us it was Japanese in the title I would have assumed it was a NAI language. Something like Iroquoian or Algonquin. Japanese is a lot crisper in it's consonant and vowel sounds. It sounds like you were mixing your /k/'s and /g/'s, which is common is NAI languages, but not Japanese. It also sounded like you had some nasal vowels or something in there.
Lenguas wrote:Well I was going for the Tōhoku dialect, which has those features. It really was completely unintelligbile?
Lenguas wrote:księżycowy wrote:If you hadn't told us it was Japanese in the title I would have assumed it was a NAI language. Something like Iroquoian or Algonquin. Japanese is a lot crisper in it's consonant and vowel sounds. It sounds like you were mixing your /k/'s and /g/'s, which is common is NAI languages, but not Japanese. It also sounded like you had some nasal vowels or something in there.
Well I was going for the Tōhoku dialect, which has those features. It really was completely unintelligbile?
hashi wrote:Lenguas wrote:księżycowy wrote:If you hadn't told us it was Japanese in the title I would have assumed it was a NAI language. Something like Iroquoian or Algonquin. Japanese is a lot crisper in it's consonant and vowel sounds. It sounds like you were mixing your /k/'s and /g/'s, which is common is NAI languages, but not Japanese. It also sounded like you had some nasal vowels or something in there.
Well I was going for the Tōhoku dialect, which has those features. It really was completely unintelligbile?
Why not start with 標準語 first to make sure you've got the basics of Japanese right before moving on to other 方言.
So I can communicate with monolingual or nearly monolingual Japanese speakers (I do know some). Even if I have to use a dictionary/translator. If my pronunciation is too bad, then they won't be able to understand me.What's the point of recording yourself in languages you are not learning ?
Lenguas wrote:So I can communicate with monolingual or nearly monolingual Japanese speakers (I do know some). Even if I have to use a dictionary/translator. If my pronunciation is too bad, then they won't be able to understand me.What's the point of recording yourself in languages you are not learning ?
księżycowy wrote:Heaven forbid I ask a question. Which you do all the time.
And I am learning Japanese.
And so what if it takes me 15 years to get one down, for me it's about enjoyment. There's no huge rush to be fluent in any of my languages. It's not a speed contest.
And aside from perhaps my language list I don't know where the hell you'd come up with the idea that I want to be fluent in 19 languages. I have no intention of learning even 1/2 of my list to fluency. I have no "Cesare M list" complex.
How about toning down the attitude? Despite our other run ins, I wasn't trying to be a dick this time. It's not like I have a habit of reading every post, so I was just curious.
Though I will add that to me, using just a dictionary and/or translator is a pretty crappy way of trying to communicate with a foreign speaker. It's like telling them that their language isn't worth learning. But hey, whatever.
księżycowy wrote:And aside from perhaps my language list I don't know where the hell you'd come up with the idea that I want to be fluent in 19 languages. I have no intention of learning even 1/2 of my list to fluency. I have no "Cesare M lite" complex.
Yes you are. Look at your next comment: it's awfully harsh.How about toning down the attitude? Despite our other run ins, I wasn't trying to be a dick this time
No, it really isn't. The alternative would be simply not to be able to communicate with them at all, since they don't speak English. Ironically enough, I was the only one to try to communicate with them. My friends who were taking Japanese didn't even bother to try, because they knew their Japanese was very sub par (and they had taken it for years) and were too embarassed that they might make a mistake. Not learning a language is not "like telling them that their language isn't worth learning." There are over 3000 languages that I'm not learning, and it's not because I don't think they're worth learning. But if I can, I will still try to communicate with people that speak them.Though I will add that to me, using just a dictionary and/or translator is a pretty crappy way of trying to communicate with a foreign speaker. It's like telling them that their language isn't worth learning. But hey, whatever.
Which was after you got an attitude with me. A fair response to your previous message.Lenguas wrote:Yes you are. Look at your next comment: it's awfully harsh.How about toning down the attitude? Despite our other run ins, I wasn't trying to be a dick this time
Point taken.No, it really isn't. The alternative would be simply not to be able to communicate with them at all, since they don't speak English. Ironically enough, I was the only one to try to communicate with them. My friends who were taking Japanese didn't even bother to try, because they knew their Japanese was very sub par (and they had taken it for years) and were too embarassed that they might make a mistake. Not learning a language is not "like telling them that their language isn't worth learning." There are over 3000 languages that I'm not learning, and it's not because I don't think they're worth learning. But if I can, I will still try to communicate with people that speak them.
That's my view on it. Not everyone is like you--wanting to learn 5 languages to fluency. I will pick up some spoken Japanese but that's it. I'm not going to become fluent in the language or learn the kanji, because that's not a reasonable goal for me (I lack the motivation, and there is no pressing need for me to prioritize learning it instead of other things. I can still have fun with it though.) If I ever run into a monolingual Japanese speaker that thinks I am disrespecting him for not intending on learning his language to fluency, but having the nerve to communicate in it, I will apologize, and we can communicate with drawings instead.
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