the other is a dragon

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Postby Lada » 2007-08-14, 19:35

English: The other is a dragon, whose mouth is opened, that none can measure.
German: Der Andere ist ein Drache mit offenem Mund, den keiner messen kann.
Norwegian: Den andre er en drage, hvems munn er åpen, som ingen kan måle.
Swedish: Det andra är en drake vems mun är öppen, som ingen kan mäta.

French: L'autre est un dragon, à la bouche ouverte, que personne ne peut mesurer.
Portuguese: O outro é um dragão, de boca aberta, que ninguém pode medir. / O outro é um dragão cuja boca está aberta e que ninguém pode medir. / O outro é um dragão com a boca aberta que ninguém pode medir. / O outro é um dragão boquiaberto que ninguém pode medir.

Bulgarian: Другият е дракон, устата на който е отворена така, че никой не може да я измери.
Russian: Другой это дракон, чей рот раскрыт наcтолько, что его никто не может измерить. уста is a poetic form for "mouth" and it is plural.

Estonian: Teine on lohe, avatud suuga, mida keegi ei suuda mõõta.
Finnish: Toinen on lohikäärme avoimine suineen, jota kukaan ei voi mitata.

Indonesian: Yang satunya lagi itu seekor naga. Mulutnya yang kebuka ngga ada yang bisa ngukur seberapa besarnya.

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Postby Quetzalcoatl » 2007-08-14, 19:44

Saaropean wrote:@Gruszka:
der Drachen = the kite
der Drache = the dragon
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@others:
In the German translation, it should be "Drache" instead of "Drachen".


Oops, I believe I forgot how to speak my native tongue :P

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Re: Mouth or Dragon?

Postby Bjarn » 2007-08-14, 20:43

0stsee wrote:
Emandir wrote:
Stacy wrote:The only ambiguity is if it's the dragon or its mouth which can't be measured, which is also the same for the English too..

There's no ambiguity! :shock:
What do you think punctuation is used for?
Just compare (I separate the relative clause with slashes):

The second one is a dragon /whose mouth is opened/ that none can measure.

The second one is a dragon /whose opened mouth none can measure/.


Oh, in my Indonesian translation, the mouth is the immeasurable one. :?


MarK


When I read it, I read it to mean the mouth cannot be measured and noticed no ambiguity whatsoever. :?
What makes one find the ambiguity may I ask?
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Postby 0stsee » 2007-08-14, 21:15

English: The other is a dragon, whose mouth is opened, that none can measure.
German: Der Andere ist ein Drache mit offenem Mund, den keiner messen kann.
Norwegian: Den andre er en drage, hvems munn er åpen, som ingen kan måle.
Swedish: Det andra är en drake vems mun är öppen, som ingen kan mäta.

Indonesian:
Yang satunya lagi itu seekor naga yang mulutnya kebuka dan ngga ada yang bisa ngukur seberapa besar dia. (the dragon is immeasurable)
Yang satunya lagi itu seekor naga. Mulutnya yang kebuka ngga ada yang bisa ngukur seberapa besarnya. (the mouth is immeasurable)

French: L'autre est un dragon, à la bouche ouverte, que personne ne peut mesurer.
Portuguese: O outro é um dragão, de boca aberta, que ninguém pode medir. / O outro é um dragão cuja boca está aberta e que ninguém pode medir. / O outro é um dragão com a boca aberta que ninguém pode medir. / O outro é um dragão boquiaberto que ninguém pode medir.

Bulgarian: Другият е дракон, устата на който е отворена така, че никой не може да я измери.
Russian: Другой это дракон, чей рот раскрыт наcтолько, что его никто не может измерить.

Estonian: Teine on lohe, avatud suuga, mida keegi ei suuda mõõta.
Finnish: Toinen on lohikäärme avoimine suineen, jota kukaan ei voi mitata.
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Re: Mouth or Dragon?

Postby 0stsee » 2007-08-14, 21:16

Bjarn wrote:
0stsee wrote:
Emandir wrote:
Stacy wrote:The only ambiguity is if it's the dragon or its mouth which can't be measured, which is also the same for the English too..

There's no ambiguity! :shock:
What do you think punctuation is used for?
Just compare (I separate the relative clause with slashes):

The second one is a dragon /whose mouth is opened/ that none can measure.

The second one is a dragon /whose opened mouth none can measure/.


Oh, in my Indonesian translation, the mouth is the immeasurable one. :?


MarK


When I read it, I read it to mean the mouth cannot be measured and noticed no ambiguity whatsoever. :?
What makes one find the ambiguity may I ask?


Well that is also what I understood as well, that the mouth is immeasurable.


MarK

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Postby Nendûr » 2007-08-14, 21:51

nglish: The other is a dragon, whose mouth is opened, that none can measure.
German: Der Andere ist ein Drache mit offenem Mund, den keiner messen kann.
Norwegian: Den andre er en drage, hvems munn er åpen, som ingen kan måle.
Swedish: Det andra är en drake vems mun är öppen, som ingen kan mäta.

Indonesian:
Yang satunya lagi itu seekor naga yang mulutnya kebuka dan ngga ada yang bisa ngukur seberapa besar dia. (the dragon is immeasurable)
Yang satunya lagi itu seekor naga. Mulutnya yang kebuka ngga ada yang bisa ngukur seberapa besarnya. (the mouth is immeasurable)

French: L'autre est un dragon, à la bouche ouverte, que personne ne peut mesurer.
Portuguese: O outro é um dragão, de boca aberta, que ninguém pode medir. / O outro é um dragão cuja boca está aberta e que ninguém pode medir. / O outro é um dragão com a boca aberta que ninguém pode medir. / O outro é um dragão boquiaberto que ninguém pode medir.
Spanish: El otro es un dragón, cuya boca está abierta, que nadie puede medir. / El otro es un dragón, de boca abierta, que nadie puede medir./ El otro es un drgón, con la boca abierta, que nadie puede medir./ El otro es un dragón boquiabierto que nadie puede medir.

Bulgarian: Другият е дракон, устата на който е отворена така, че никой не може да я измери.
Russian: Другой это дракон, чей рот раскрыт наcтолько, что его никто не может измерить.

Estonian: Teine on lohe, avatud suuga, mida keegi ei suuda mõõta.
Finnish: Toinen on lohikäärme avoimine suineen, jota kukaan ei voi mitata.

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Re: Mouth or Dragon?

Postby hanumizzle » 2007-08-15, 2:01

0stsee wrote:
Bjarn wrote:
0stsee wrote:
Emandir wrote:
Stacy wrote:The only ambiguity is if it's the dragon or its mouth which can't be measured, which is also the same for the English too..

There's no ambiguity! :shock:
What do you think punctuation is used for?
Just compare (I separate the relative clause with slashes):

The second one is a dragon /whose mouth is opened/ that none can measure.

The second one is a dragon /whose opened mouth none can measure/.


Oh, in my Indonesian translation, the mouth is the immeasurable one. :?


MarK


When I read it, I read it to mean the mouth cannot be measured and noticed no ambiguity whatsoever. :?
What makes one find the ambiguity may I ask?


Well that is also what I understood as well, that the mouth is immeasurable.


MarK


Yeah, mang.

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Postby Steisi » 2007-08-15, 7:01

It's still no better now I've woken up :ohno:

I interpret that as: The dragon that none can measure - and btw its mouth is open. :lol:
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Postby hanumizzle » 2007-08-15, 7:51

Stacy wrote:It's still no better now I've woken up :ohno:

I interpret that as: The dragon that none can measure - and btw its mouth is open. :lol:


I never thought about the Seven Evil Spirits so much before. The lines remind me of a duck-rabbit:

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Some context would be nice; I've never seen mention of the seven outside that one small text.

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Postby JaneFairfax » 2007-08-15, 9:10

Let’s see …
    Dragon can’t be measured: Emandir, Stacy, me

    Mouth can’t be measured: everybody else
Who else thinks it’s the dragon that can’t be measured?

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Postby Kubi » 2007-08-15, 9:34

JaneFairfax wrote:Who else thinks it’s the dragon that can’t be measured?[/color]

I do, as I wrote when I chaned the German translation :)

Ich, wie ich schrieb, als ich die deutsche Übersetzung geändert habe :)
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Postby hanumizzle » 2007-08-15, 10:08

The dragon is 281 m long, and the mouth is about 8 m wide when opened.

Case closed.

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Postby ego » 2007-08-15, 10:13

JaneFairfax wrote:Let’s see …
    Dragon can’t be measured: Emandir, Stacy, me

    Mouth can’t be measured: everybody else
Who else thinks it’s the dragon that can’t be measured?


me!!! me!!! :bounce: :bounce: me!!! :boogi:

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Postby greg-fr » 2007-08-15, 11:08

English: The other is a dragon, whose mouth is opened, that none can measure.
German: Der Andere ist ein Drache mit offenem Mund, den keiner messen kann.
Norwegian: Den andre er en drage, hvems munn er åpen, som ingen kan måle.
Swedish: Det andra är en drake vems mun är öppen, som ingen kan mäta.

Indonesian: Yang satunya lagi itu seekor naga yang mulutnya kebuka dan ngga ada yang bisa ngukur seberapa besar dia. (the dragon is immeasurable)
Yang satunya lagi itu seekor naga. Mulutnya yang kebuka ngga ada yang bisa ngukur seberapa besarnya. (the mouth is immeasurable)

Français : L'autre est un dragon, à la bouche ouverte, que personne ne peut mesurer — L'autre est un dragon à la gueule béante que nul ne peut mesurer
Portuguese: O outro é um dragão, de boca aberta, que ninguém pode medir. / O outro é um dragão cuja boca está aberta e que ninguém pode medir. / O outro é um dragão com a boca aberta que ninguém pode medir. / O outro é um dragão boquiaberto que ninguém pode medir.
Spanish: El otro es un dragón, cuya boca está abierta, que nadie puede medir. / El otro es un dragón, de boca abierta, que nadie puede medir./ El otro es un drgón, con la boca abierta, que nadie puede medir./ El otro es un dragón boquiabierto que nadie puede medir.

Bulgarian: Другият е дракон, устата на който е отворена така, че никой не може да я измери.
Russian: Другой это дракон, чей рот раскрыт наcтолько, что его никто не может измерить.

Estonian: Teine on lohe, avatud suuga, mida keegi ei suuda mõõta.
Finnish: Toinen on lohikäärme avoimine suineen, jota kukaan ei voi mitata.

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Naga

Postby 0stsee » 2007-08-15, 12:43

hanumizzle wrote:
Stacy wrote:It's still no better now I've woken up :ohno:

I interpret that as: The dragon that none can measure - and btw its mouth is open. :lol:


I never thought about the Seven Evil Spirits so much before. The lines remind me of a duck-rabbit:

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Some context would be nice; I've never seen mention of the seven outside that one small text.


LOL!

This thread is pretty hilarious somehow. :D


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Postby Psi-Lord » 2007-08-15, 19:42

Kubi wrote:
JaneFairfax wrote:Who else thinks it’s the dragon that can’t be measured?[/color]

I do, as I wrote when I chaned the German translation :)

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Postby Nendûr » 2007-08-15, 19:50

Psi-Lord wrote:
Kubi wrote:
JaneFairfax wrote:Who else thinks it’s the dragon that can’t be measured?[/color]

I do, as I wrote when I chaned the German translation :)

Me three.


Me four :)

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Postby Steisi » 2007-08-16, 6:37

Phew! :lolhuh:
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Postby hanumizzle » 2007-08-16, 7:36

I kind of agree now, but I don't think my translation needs to change.

Jag håller med smått, men jag tror inte att min översättning bör ändras.

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Postby Johanna » 2007-08-16, 11:14

Sorry hanumizzle, had to change two small details ;-) Vems is only used in questions, as in Vems bil är det? ("Whose car is it?")
I'm also not sure about the gender in the beginning, whether is should be Den andra or Det andra, but since there's no context then using either one is correct. I think Den andra sounds better though, so I changed it.

Btw, bör = should, ought to. Behöver = needs ;)


English: The other is a dragon, whose mouth is opened, that none can measure.
German: Der Andere ist ein Drache mit offenem Mund, den keiner messen kann.
Norwegian: Den andre er en drage, hvems munn er åpen, som ingen kan måle.
Swedish: Den andra är en drake, vars mun är öppen, som ingen kan mäta.

Indonesian: Yang satunya lagi itu seekor naga yang mulutnya kebuka dan ngga ada yang bisa ngukur seberapa besar dia. (the dragon is immeasurable)
Yang satunya lagi itu seekor naga. Mulutnya yang kebuka ngga ada yang bisa ngukur seberapa besarnya. (the mouth is immeasurable)
Français : L'autre est un dragon, à la bouche ouverte, que personne ne peut mesurer — L'autre est un dragon à la gueule béante que nul ne peut mesurer
Portuguese: O outro é um dragão, de boca aberta, que ninguém pode medir. / O outro é um dragão cuja boca está aberta e que ninguém pode medir. / O outro é um dragão com a boca aberta que ninguém pode medir. / O outro é um dragão boquiaberto que ninguém pode medir.
Spanish: El otro es un dragón, cuya boca está abierta, que nadie puede medir. / El otro es un dragón, de boca abierta, que nadie puede medir./ El otro es un drgón, con la boca abierta, que nadie puede medir./ El otro es un dragón boquiabierto que nadie puede medir.

Bulgarian: Другият е дракон, устата на който е отворена така, че никой не може да я измери.
Russian: Другой это дракон, чей рот раскрыт наcтолько, что его никто не может измерить.

Estonian: Teine on lohe, avatud suuga, mida keegi ei suuda mõõta.
Finnish: Toinen on lohikäärme avoimine suineen, jota kukaan ei voi mitata.
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