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Ponasomu

Postby mishko » 2013-05-10, 20:02

Hi,

My maternal grandparents always identified themselves as Slovak, but I've been getting the impression that they are Carpatho-Rusyn. I'd appreciate feedback.

They referred to their language as "Ponasomu" (to me, somewhat phonetically "Pinoshimoo"). I always thought it just meant "Our language" in Slovak. When I listen to this "Slovak Lesson 1" video, the pronunciation is rather different: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gFTfjA4nHk

When growing up, I learned some basic "Ponasomu" and I could often get a rough idea at least from conversation.

I uploaded a sound file here where I say words or phrases I remember in Ponasomu, followed by English (Canadian) : http://d-h.st/yoj . Please excuse my nasal congestion last night. :)

Here are the words, with Ponasomu spelled in a pseudo-phonetic style. I've never written the language.


Mishko - Michael
Pinoshimoo - Our language

Dobra - Good
Duza Dobra - Very good
Dobra ronow - Good morning
Dobra dayn - Good day
Dobra vicher - Good evening
Dobra nuwch - Good night

Yok sumias ? - How are you ?
Tok, tok - Yes, yes

Boja, boja ! - My oh my ! (Exclamation)
Boja moi ! - Oh my god ! (Exclamation)

Hochis Milako - Do you want milk ?
Mias Milako - I have milk / Do you have milk ?
Yyko - Eggs
Pettuhe - Cooked dough with a filling (?)

Hulotee, Hulotee - Fun / Vacation / Celebrating / Drinking ?
Pevo - Beer
Veeno - Wine
Sleevaveets - Potato vodka ?
Cigaretkee - Cigarettes
Nozdrovyu - Bless you (sneeze) / To your health (drinking greeting)
Jokiyu - Thank you

Yeden - 1
Diva - 2
T'ree - 3
Chiteri - 4
Pyot - 5
Shees - 6
Seem - 7
? - 8
? - 9
Daysich - 10


Further info in the next post.

Thanks for any thoughts !

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Re: Ponasomu

Postby mishko » 2013-05-10, 20:12

Some further info that might be useful:

My name is Michael, but my grandfather always called me Mishko.

My grandfather had a decorative thing on the wall downstairs that I think is like the "mountain axe" of the Ponasomu people. It was made entirely of wood and seemed purely for decoration.

I was fortunate to visit relatives in Slovakia in 1979 in these cities:
- Uzhhorod
- Košice
- Bratislava

Uzhhorod was last and I think our biggest visit. I think my grandparents married there before 1930: Michael Baloga & Anna Mikovech. My spellings for any name except Baloga are likely wrong.

Here's the basic genealogy I know, besides name and birth order for my grandparents siblings:

Joseph Baloga - Born about 1880, Married before 1903
Anna Hostinan - Born about 1882
->
Michael Baloga - Born 1907 Orechovice, Married before 1930 Slovakia

Michael Mikovech - Born about 1880, Married before 1905
Julia Waselik - Born about 1882
->
Anna Mikovech - Born 1910 Jarok

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Re: Ponasomu

Postby Engelseziekte » 2013-05-10, 20:21

It is Carpatho-Rusyn.
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Re: Ponasomu

Postby mishko » 2013-05-10, 23:02

Engelseziekte wrote:It is Carpatho-Rusyn.


Thanks. :)

So, no doubt then.

This explains why my mother had dialect problems in some areas of Slovakia.

My first thought was they claimed to be Slovak because they felt prejudice or shame as Rusyn's.

But I read last night that many Rusyns just naturally identify with, and adopt, their host culture.

Do you know what area "Orechovice" is in Slovakia ? I can't Google it well so maybe the spelling is wrong.

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Re: Ponasomu

Postby ffrench » 2013-05-11, 14:39

Modern Orihovicia (Оріховиця) is in Uzhhorod Raion in Ukraine.

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Re: Ponasomu

Postby silmeth » 2013-08-11, 14:28

mishko wrote:Sleevaveets - Potato vodka ?


Slivovitz (ie. plum vodka). Potato vodka would be rather just vodka or horilka, I think, based on my knowledge of Polish and Ukrainian. ;-)
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Re: Ponasomu

Postby mishko » 2013-08-11, 19:28

silmeth wrote:
mishko wrote:Sleevaveets - Potato vodka ?


Slivovitz (ie. plum vodka). Potato vodka would be rather just vodka or horilka, I think, based on my knowledge of Polish and Ukrainian. ;-)


OK, thanks. Had plenty to drink when we visited in 1979... :)


I'm still pulling a blank with online genealogy, I'd guess Slovak records are mostly paper and require a visit or a local helper.

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Re: Ponasomu

Postby marique » 2013-08-12, 11:34

They could be Slovaks but the slang is from eastern Slovakia. And I am not surprised that you would struggle to be understood in other parts of Slovakia.
Misko (Mishko) is a nicer version of Michael for every Slovakian.
Translation of ponasomu to proper slovakian would be po nasom.

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Re: Ponasomu

Postby mishko » 2013-08-12, 22:36

Based on what I know now, I'm pretty much convinced they were Rusyn.

The villages just outside Uzhgorod, the language, and some other clues all point to it.

I presume Rusyn people were somewhat discriminated against in that region and that sort of stigma is I think why they identified as Slovak.

Thanks !

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Re: Ponasomu

Postby marique » 2013-08-16, 8:35

True, Uzhgorod is already Ukraine.
And you are right, using term Rusyn was not allowed. My friend from that area said that they even had to change their religion.

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Re: Ponasomu

Postby gombicek » 2013-08-21, 10:43

mishko wrote:


I'm still pulling a blank with online genealogy, I'd guess Slovak records are mostly paper and require a visit or a local helper.
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You probably know of https://familysearch.org/ I presume. Also there is http://www.genealogy-heraldry.sk/eng/eng.htm aimed at slovak genealogy and heraldry, which has some usefull informations and some good publications, unfortunately in slovak. For records not older than 100 years you must prove to be a relative of a person whose records you want, and they are only in paper form or microfilm in the archives. So you either have a good excuse to visit Slovakia and Ukraine, or you can have some profesional genealogist do the research for you which tends to be expensive.

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Re: Ponasomu

Postby mishko » 2015-11-18, 21:44

An "echo machine" ? LOL.


Since I'm here, I've noted that the Ancestry site has Slovak church records now.


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