Feedback on verb tenses please??

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Feedback on verb tenses please??

Postby ltrout99 » 2015-11-05, 21:33

I'm creating a highly agglutinative based conlang and I just want some feedback on these tenses.

Verb Example: Jazmak (to do) USING ONLY PRESENT TENSE

Present -

I do - Jazıka
We do - Jazıkaja
You do - Jazama
You all do - Jazamaja
It does - Jazola
They do - Jazolaja

Present Imperative -

You do - Jazamka
You all do - Jazamoka

Present Interrogative -

Do I? - Jazıkıssı
Do we? - Jazıkassı
Do you? - Jazamassı
Do you all? - Jazamossı
Does it? - Jazolossı
Do they? - Jazolassı

Past subjunctive (always use past far with subjunctive) -

If I did - Jazıkumujaz
If we did - Jazıkumujaz
If you did - Jazamumujaz
If you all idd - Jazamumujaz
If it did - Jazolumujaz
If they did - Jazolumujaz

Present Conditional -

I could - Jazıkımız
We could - Jazıkamız
You could - Jazamız
You all could - Jazamomız
It could - Jazolomız
They could - Jazolamız


Present Progressive -

I am doing - Jazıka müde
We are doing - Jazıkaja müde
You are doing - Jazama müde
You all are doing - Jazamaja müde
It is doing - Jazola müde
They are doing - Jazolaja müde

Present Perfect -

I did do = Jazıkın ssıko
We did do = Jazıkın ssıko
You did do = Jazamın ssıko
You all did do = Jazamın ssıko
It did do = Jazolın ssıko
They did do = Jazolın ssıko

Present Passive -

By me = Jazıkajul
By us = Jazıkajul
By you = Jazamajul
By you all = Jazamajul
By it = Jazolajul
By them = Jazolajul

Present Active -

I do to... = Jazıkajan
We do to... = Jazıkajajan
You do to... = Jazamajan
You all do to... = Jazmajajan
It does to... = Jazolajan
They do to... = Jazolajajan

Present Reflexive -

I do to myself = Jazıkına
We do to ourselves = Jazıkajına
You do to yourself = Jazamına
You all do to yourselves = Jazamajına
It does to itself = Jazolına
They do to themselves = Jazolajına


Some notes:

-All sounds are pronounced how they would in Spanish except for ı,u,ss,ü. Which are pronounced ɪ,y,ʃ,u respectively.
-This isn't even 1/5 of the different combinations of tenses. Not even 1/5 of the different combinations of only the present for that fact. I haven't done the math yet, but I have 6 Personal Endings + 5 Tenses + 4 Moods + 2 Aspects + 3 Voices, so I'm guessing one verb alone can get conjugated in at least 100 different ways. Oh and I have some major vowel mutations and some minor consonant mutations on top of all of that....

Edit: I did the math, I doubt it's correct, but apparently if I choose just one of each (personal endings, tense, mood, aspect, voice) there is 15504 ways it could conjugate....


Anyways, I would just like some feedback on what you think so far? :)

Here are the tenses without diacritics:
Verb Example: Jazmak (to do) USING ONLY PRESENT TENSE

Present -

I do - Jaziika
We do - Jaziikaja
You do - Jazama
You all do - Jazamaja
It does - Jazola
They do - Jazolaja

Present Imperative -

You do - Jazamaka
You all do - Jazamoka

Present Interrogative -

Do I? - Jaziikiisjii
Do we? - Jaziikasjii
Do you? - Jazamasjii
Do you all? - Jazamosjii
Does it? - Jazolosjii
Do they? - Jazolasjii

Past subjunctive (always use past far with subjunctive) -

If I did - Jaziikymyjaz
If we did - Jaziikymyjaz
If you did - Jazamymyjaz
If you all idd - Jazamymyjaz
If it did - Jazolymyjaz
If they did - Jazolymyjaz

Present Conditional -

I could - Jaziikiimiiz
We could - Jaziikamiiz
You could - Jazamiiz
You all could - Jazamomiiz
It could - Jazolomiiz
They could - Jazolamiiz


Present Progressive -

I am doing - Jaziika mude
We are doing - Jaziikaja mude
You are doing - Jazama mude
You all are doing - Jazamaja mude
It is doing - Jazola mude
They are doing - Jazolaja mude

Present Perfect -

I did do = Jaziikiin sjiiko
We did do = Jaziikiin sjiiko
You did do = Jazamiin sjiiko
You all did do = Jazamiin sjiiko
It did do = Jazoliin sjiiko
They did do = Jazoliin sjiiko

Present Passive -

By me = Jaziikajyl
By us = Jaziikajyl
By you = Jazamajyl
By you all = Jazamajyl
By it = Jazolajyl
By them = Jazolajyl

Present Active -

I do to... = Jaziikajan
We do to... = Jaziikajajan
You do to... = Jazamajan
You all do to... = Jazmajajan
It does to... = Jazolajan
They do to... = Jazolajajan

Present Reflexive -

I do to myself = Jaziikiina
We do to ourselves = Jaziikajiina
You do to yourself = Jazamiina
You all do to yourselves = Jazamajiina
It does to itself = Jazoliina
They do to themselves = Jazolajiina
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Re: Feedback on verb tenses please??

Postby ~jakip » 2015-11-05, 21:46

I really like your ideas. I would have liked to create an agglutinative conlang like yours, but then I gave up because I had no time :whistle:

While reading your post, I was just wondering: is it necessary to have a Present Interrogative?
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Re: Feedback on verb tenses please??

Postby ltrout99 » 2015-11-05, 22:13

~jakip wrote:I really like your ideas. I would have liked to create an agglutinative conlang like yours, but then I gave up because I had no time :whistle:

While reading your post, I was just wondering: is it necessary to have a Present Interrogative?


Yeah agglutinative languages take longer to make sure all the cases fit and don't end up getting words like khmderoijidfjoefjhhfchaicowajencew. :lol:

Without a Present Interrogative how could I ask questions..?

And also, the Interrogative can be placed on any tense. Can you do this tomorrow, Could you have done this, Can you eat, etc.
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Re: Feedback on verb tenses please??

Postby Levike » 2015-11-05, 22:19

Looks like Turkish, reads like Turkish, feels like Turkish. Not my cup of tea, but if that's what you're looking for...

Sidenote: Why is u pronounced like /y/ and ü like /u/? That's just confusing.

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Re: Feedback on verb tenses please??

Postby linguoboy » 2015-11-05, 22:28

Why do you gloss the "present conditional" as could? Shouldn't it be would do?
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Re: Feedback on verb tenses please??

Postby ltrout99 » 2015-11-05, 22:29

Levike wrote:Looks like Turkish, reads like Turkish, feels like Turkish. Not my cup of tea, but if that's what you're looking for...

Sidenote: Why is u pronounced like /y/ and ü like /u/? That's just confusing.


The grammar and some sounds are based off of Turkish. the reason behind /y/ and /u/ is because /y/ is the soft vowel for the hard vowel /u/ and my hard vowels have dots (similar to Turkish...). So right now it's a/e, ı/i, o/ö, u/ü. I'm still working out how I want everything to look when written with the Latin script.
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Re: Feedback on verb tenses please??

Postby ltrout99 » 2015-11-05, 22:32

linguoboy wrote:Why do you gloss the "present conditional" as could? Shouldn't it be would do?


Conditionals can be would, could, or might, no? "The bomb could explode if we move it" is conditional. I haven't made enough words or rules yet to explain it better, but the conditional needs context to determine which word it means. Jazıkımız can mean I could do, I would do, I might do, depending on context.
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Re: Feedback on verb tenses please??

Postby linguoboy » 2015-11-05, 22:38

ltrout99 wrote:
linguoboy wrote:Why do you gloss the "present conditional" as could? Shouldn't it be would do?


Conditionals can be would, could, or might, no? "The bomb could explode if we move it" is conditional

So are:

"The bomb will explode if we move it."
"The bomb must explode if we move it."
"The bomb should explode if we move it."
"The bomb can't explode if we move it."
"The bomb has to explode if we move it."
etc.

In all of these cases, you're expressing an opinion about what will happen if a certain condition (moving the bomb) is met.

Maybe you've confused "conditional" with modals generally?
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Re: Feedback on verb tenses please??

Postby ltrout99 » 2015-11-06, 17:13

linguoboy wrote:
ltrout99 wrote:
linguoboy wrote:Why do you gloss the "present conditional" as could? Shouldn't it be would do?


Conditionals can be would, could, or might, no? "The bomb could explode if we move it" is conditional

So are:

"The bomb will explode if we move it."
"The bomb must explode if we move it."
"The bomb should explode if we move it."
"The bomb can't explode if we move it."
"The bomb has to explode if we move it."
etc.

In all of these cases, you're expressing an opinion about what will happen if a certain condition (moving the bomb) is met.

Maybe you've confused "conditional" with modals generally?


The reason I was saying might, would, could is because of this:

The conditional (indicating a conditional state that will cause something else to happen): "The bomb might explode if I jiggle that switch." Also, "The bomb could explode if you jiggle that switch." The conditional is marked by the words might, could, and would.
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Re: Feedback on verb tenses please??

Postby linguoboy » 2015-11-06, 17:56

ltrout99 wrote:The reason I was saying might, would, could is because of this:

The conditional (indicating a conditional state that will cause something else to happen): "The bomb might explode if I jiggle that switch." Also, "The bomb could explode if you jiggle that switch." The conditional is marked by the words might, could, and would.

I'm not sure where you got this (and I'm not going to go on a fishing expedition for it), but that's an entirely English-centric definition of what "conditional" means. Unless you're only interested in creating a cipher of English, you'll want to look at how at least two other languages handle conditional mood before implementing it in your conlang.

You're also getting confused by the fact that some modals (can, may) have distinct "conditional" forms in English (could, might). So could do is the conditional form of can do, but it is not the conditional form do.
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Re: Feedback on verb tenses please??

Postby ltrout99 » 2015-11-06, 18:11

linguoboy wrote:
ltrout99 wrote:The reason I was saying might, would, could is because of this:

The conditional (indicating a conditional state that will cause something else to happen): "The bomb might explode if I jiggle that switch." Also, "The bomb could explode if you jiggle that switch." The conditional is marked by the words might, could, and would.

I'm not sure where you got this (and I'm not going to go on a fishing expedition for it), but that's an entirely English-centric definition of what "conditional" means. Unless you're only interested in creating a cipher of English, you'll want to look at how at least two other languages handle conditional mood before implementing it in your conlang.

You're also getting confused by the fact that some modals (can, may) have distinct "conditional" forms in English (could, might). So could do is the conditional form of can do, but it is not the conditional form do.


Yes it is only the English version of it. I also looked at a few Uralic uses of it and some of the examples were Saying something to the effect of "This would/could X, if XXXX."
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