Celdovin ~ Il Celdovigno

[Mentilliath]

Heh. -am, -im, and -om are common thematic neuter endings in Halvian

I like that paradigm, though, because I know you said you didn't like -a as an ending, but I think it looks good.

[Koko]

Yeah, I kinda like it too, but it's not my favourite

Thanks.

Why is it that we have so many similar ideas for our conlangs?

[Mentilliath]

Great minds, I guess

[Koko]

Maybe, or…

We are each other two separate parallels that were placed on the same Earth by some celestu* (magical force). Who this celestu is, we may never know. Perhaps he is the Isyan god Martoj: the God of Joining Two. That's weird, because he is Isyan but also a celestu— a Celdovin myth.

* a celestu is kind of like a god

[Mentilliath]

Well, I won't rule that out

[Koko]

I keep sucking at the asterisk! I wanted to say that the similarities between celestu and celestial were completely accidental. But clarifying what exactly a celestu is works too.

I like the great minds theory though: it gives us both a compliment .

[Koko]

Iniziamo le preposizioni, beh, apposizioni in realtà.

Quelli usati davanti al nominativo:
(en; it)
az— before; davanti a
nas— in, on; in, su
su— at; a, in
coj— with; con
gione— up, above; sopra (di)
nassu— around, near; vicino/intorno a
pas— after, behind (I'm behind the door); dopo (di)
cous— without, outside; senza, fuori du
uic /ʌç/— about, on [the topic of]; di, su
passu— below, under; sotto (di)

Dopo il nominativo:
daz— for; per
co— within

Davanti all'obliquo:
ec— from
nasec— out of, off of
naspa— behind (Put it behind something)
guam— after (chase after, search for, come after [in line])
az— in front of (Put it in front of something)
nasco— through
gionec—down, below
co— with, by
di— to
nas— into, onto

Dopo l'obliquo:
hef (after a vowel often becomes -f)— with, by
di— towards (in direction of)
su— at (slightly stronger emphasis than when before the nominative)
elgio— up(to)

Examples:

Ze uein az denniam nais unqosiol pas gihed zosraj nasgan.— I was standing in front of that portrait before you came in.

Luibit obgiaiz ec nainn. /ˈlui̯bit obd͡ʒaʒ ek ˈnaɲː/— He's cooking fish from the east.

Alc moi haive ejebbe clarinettif.— This song is for the clarinet. (One plays this song with the clarinet.)

[Koko]

I have decided that the plural ending -on will often be /-ə/ in the nominative (it's in slashes as it would contrast /on/ in the vocative case). This a feature common among younger speakers and sometimes even helps to separate otherwise homophones: covet is story or group. The former should be pronounced /ˈkɔvet/ and the latter /ˈkovet/, but the younger generation tends to pronounce both with /ɔ/, but groups translates as coveton /ˈkɔvetə/ and story as /ˈkɔveton/.

[Koko]

Ho fatto degli aggiustamenti nella posta sulla pagina precedente in respetto alla declinazione maschile 2.2.

[Koko]

Here are the declensions of adjectives ^^
(vocative adjectives use the nominative)

-C

-	masc. s	masc. pl	fem sg	fem pl
nom.	-	-on	-	-on
obl	-s	-ouv	-e	-ein
poss	-il	-ej	-ai	-ej

There is one more class:

Masc.

nom	-i	-ai
obl	o	oc
poss	is	aig

Fem.

nom	-a	-aun
obl	e	iun
poss	en	aig

Neut.

nom	-e	-aiz
obl	e	aiz
poss	in	os

Class 1 adjectives will become class 2 in the neutre always. Those in -f will also follow the lenition process of nouns (-v- before vowels), which is also present in the neutre form.

Soft c and g will stay so in inflexion.

[Koko]

Returning to Celdovin. I figured I should always keep a language of magic (never know when you may need to curse a person).

One thing I made in Celdovin was the "noc" conjunction and verb form.

First the conjugations (for both -tie and -ra):

(only worrying about the present tense)

	sg	pl
first	is	nac
2nd	u	(s)out
3rd	(u)n	neo

(future is actually the present, but noc becomes noitu)

Examples of how to use it:

1) I know you write. — Zil ebais noc rau.
2) She wants to be a mother. — Miave noitu nan g'allios. (determination)

Both contrast with the subjunctive:

1) I [have a feeling] you write. — Zil ebais rateos.
2) She wants to be a mother. — Miave naterd og allios. (but understands she may not)

For 2, you can also say "Miave natie g'allios." to not give any indication of how determined she is to be a mother (or to even say "She wishes she were a mother.")

[~jakip]

Your conlang seems to me a mix of a Romance Language and a Slavic one

[Koko]

Really? Thanks! ^^ I think I was doing some Czech at the start of it, and before I was already thinking of doing a Slavic-inspired conlang. And this idea started as a romlang too! Both must really show

[~jakip]

Really? Thanks! ^^ I think I was doing some Czech at the start of it, and before I was already thinking of doing a Slavic-inspired conlang. And this idea started as a romlang too!

You did it greatly!

What's the meaning of Celdovigno? It sounds like an Italian country town, famous for its good wine

Both must really show

[Koko]

Really? Thanks! ^^ I think I was doing some Czech at the start of it, and before I was already thinking of doing a Slavic-inspired conlang. And this idea started as a romlang too!

You did it greatly!

Grazie! / Trippeis!

What's the meaning of Celdovigno? It sounds like an Italian country town, famous for its good wine

"Celdovin" nel Celdovigno si traduce alla "lingua di magica."

[Koko]

I have made a few changes to -tie verbs (1st conjugation I guess I'll call 'em).

Previously, for all verbs in this conjugation there was a thematic -t-. No more! Now it depends on whether the stem ends in a consonant or vowel.

They're basically the same, but there are mutations of vowels (the -t- is elided). Here are tables showing how vowel stems are affected:

	i	ou	ei	o
a	ai	au	ei	o
e	ei	eo	ei	io
o	oi	ou	ei	o
i	i	io	ei	io
u	ui	u	ui/uei	o

Is that comprehensible?

If not, here's a few examples of regular verbs: (following my usually pattern)

Appetie to understand

appeis---appeic
appetu---appeore
appet---appein

Giamutie to eat

giamuis---giamuic
giamutu---giamure
giamut---giamuin

Iupatie to succeed

iupais---iupeic
iupatu---iupaure
iupat---iupain

A -CCtie verb:

Cusctie to wander

cuschis---cuscheic
cuscu---cuscoure
cusc---cuschin