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Mert wrote:I want to ask: How come do you celebrate such a day? This is against Islam, isn't it? Because this is related to the mythology before Islam.
eskandar wrote:Mert, just because something came before Islam doesn't mean that it is against Islam. Nowruz (Nevruz) is one of the biggest holidays in Iran, and its origin is in Zoroastrianism. However, both Nowruz and Shab-e Yaldâ have lost their original religious meanings and become holidays celebrated by all Iranians, regardless of religion.
Meera wrote:eskandar wrote:Mert, just because something came before Islam doesn't mean that it is against Islam. Nowruz (Nevruz) is one of the biggest holidays in Iran, and its origin is in Zoroastrianism. However, both Nowruz and Shab-e Yaldâ have lost their original religious meanings and become holidays celebrated by all Iranians, regardless of religion.
Afghans too
kalemiye wrote:Meera wrote:eskandar wrote:Mert, just because something came before Islam doesn't mean that it is against Islam. Nowruz (Nevruz) is one of the biggest holidays in Iran, and its origin is in Zoroastrianism. However, both Nowruz and Shab-e Yaldâ have lost their original religious meanings and become holidays celebrated by all Iranians, regardless of religion.
Afghans too
Nowruz is celebrated in Turkey mostly by Kurds, but it's not an official holiday. Çarşamba sûri is celebrated too. There are some special TV shows about it in TRT, if I remember correctly, since it is celebrated by other Turkic peoples, for instance Azeris or Türkmens.
Probably this year there will be a special program in TRT 6 (a Kurdish language TV channel).
kalemiye wrote:Nowruz is celebrated in Turkey mostly by Kurds, but it's not an official holiday.
Mert wrote:According to the laws, it is forbidden to use a letter apart from Turkish letters.
Reuters news wrote:A Turkish court has fined 20 people for using the letters Q and W on placards at a Kurdish new year celebration, under a law that bans use of characters not in the Turkish alphabet, rights campaigners said. The court in the southeastern city of Siirt fined each of the 20 people 100 new lira ($75.53) for holding up the placards, written in Kurdish, at the event last year. The letters Q and W do not exist in the Turkish alphabet.
eskandar wrote: Maybe if Turkey treated Kurds like human beings, they wouldn't join groups like the PKK.
eskandar wrote:I have to tell you that in the rest of the world (the West, the Middle East, and elsewhere) the ban on non-Turkish letters is seen as absurd, ridiculous, and racist. It was put in place specifically to discriminate against Kurds, and it is unfairly used against them and doesn't apply to non-Kurds; for instance the letters x, w, and q don't exist in Turkish and the Turkish government punishes Kurds for using these letters
Mert wrote:يلدا is used as a woman name in Turkish as well.
Mert wrote:By the way, I've heart that براي is also used as name in Turkey.
Mert wrote:I want to ask: How come do you celebrate such a day? This is against Islam, isn't it? Because this is related to the mythology before Islam.
Mert wrote:eskandar wrote: Maybe if Turkey treated Kurds like human beings, they wouldn't join groups like the PKK.
As long as Turks don't see Kurdish reality, we'll suffer from this problem more. We choose fighting instead of understanding each other.
nadi wrote:you are talking about a country whose prime minister is speaking Kurdish on its official TV channel.
nadi wrote:These words are the names of some programmes of the Kurdish channel of TRT, TRT6:
Hewaname
Xeber
Xon U Kerwon
Weşanxane
As you see there isn't such a case any more. Turkey is trying to be a member of EU and is making amendments to bring its standards in accordance with the European standards. You can see this in every field and every part of life.
alijsh wrote:nadi wrote:you are talking about a country whose prime minister is speaking Kurdish on its official TV channel.
You mean Erdoğan?
alijsh wrote:Mert wrote:By the way, I've heart that براي is also used as name in Turkey.
How do you pronounce it? I doubt it is the preposition barâ, which itself comprises of the preposition ba (به) and the object particle râ (را). It must be another word.
eskandar wrote:kalemiye wrote:Nowruz is celebrated in Turkey mostly by Kurds, but it's not an official holiday.
Actually, it is an official holiday in Turkey now. See here.
1- Azarbaijan
22 March Nevruz Holiday (Official Holiday)
2- Kazakhstan
21 March Nevruz Holiday (Official Holiday)
3- Kyrgyzstan
21 March Nevruz Holiday (Official Holiday)
4- Uzbekistan
21 March Nevruz Holiday (Official Holiday)
5- Turkmenistan
21 March Nevruz Holiday (Official Holiday)
6- Turkey
21 March Nevruz Holiday
7- Norther Cyprus Turkish Republic
21 March Nevruz Holiday
These words are the names of some programmes of the Kurdish channel of TRT, TRT6:
Hewaname
Xeber
Xon U Kerwon
Weşanxane
As you see there isn't such a case any more. Turkey is trying to be a member of EU and is making amendments to bring its standards in accordance with the European standards. You can see this in every field and every part of life. Yes, we have some problems but I can say that even now our standards of democracy and human rights are much better than many countries in the region. At least, we have the will to change and to be better.
eskandar wrote:nadi wrote:These words are the names of some programmes of the Kurdish channel of TRT, TRT6:
Hewaname
Xeber
Xon U Kerwon
Weşanxane
As you see there isn't such a case any more. Turkey is trying to be a member of EU and is making amendments to bring its standards in accordance with the European standards. You can see this in every field and every part of life.
I see. I wasn't aware of some of the recent changes in Turkey (and I guess Mert wasn't either ). So, I congratulate Turkey for making progress on the Kurdish issue.
nadi wrote:Mert wrote:eskandar wrote: Maybe if Turkey treated Kurds like human beings, they wouldn't join groups like the PKK.
As long as Turks don't see Kurdish reality, we'll suffer from this problem more. We choose fighting instead of understanding each other.
Are you sure you are following the recent changes in Turkey, Mert? I have to remind you of the fact that you are talking about a country whose prime minister is speaking Kurdish on its official TV channel. Plus, we are talking about a very recent process which is in progress yet.
kalemiye wrote:Wonderful, because it totally contradicts what is written here (they didn't even bother themselves to update it since 2008): http://www.kultur.gov.tr/TR/Genel/BelgeGoster.aspx?F6E10F8892433CFF8AB2E675B78192E8FF57EDA7516DB771
As you see, Nevruz is nowhere to be found. Nor in this website: http://www.takvim.com/resmi_tatiller.php
And if it was, then I wouldn't understand the point of this group on facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=11719987270
edit: I saw this in the website you linked:6- Turkey
21 March Nevruz Holiday
7- Norther Cyprus Turkish Republic
21 March Nevruz Holiday
I recommend you watching a documentary called "Crossing the bridge: the sound of Istanbul", in which this topic is addressed as well.
Nevruz Bayramı önergesine ret.
TBMM Genel Kurulunda, CHP, MHP ve DTP'nin, "21 Mart'ın Nevruz Bayramı" olarak resmi tatil ilan edilmesine ilişkin önergeleri reddedildi.
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