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most-wanted wrote:It is absolutly wrong to say that we have gays in Afghanistan.I haven't seen anyone who loves to have sexual relationship with a man being a man.
We don't have the word for that like most of countries in Africa.
most-wanted wrote:But in these countries no doubt there are some peoople who are losers and wants to have sexual relationship with Children.Those are called Bachabaaz in Afghanistan or maybe Iran.They dressed them in girls cloths to dance for them.This story is clearly told by Khalid Hoseini's book.The kite runner.
Shannenms wrote:There is no love in gayism
alijsh wrote:We have words but they are slang: kuni, kunde, kunkon, kunkeš (sorry this topic demands to write words that we normally consider impolite). As you know, the relation is subject-object (sorry Sisyphe, I still prefer these words. They fit the relation we are witnessed here). the object is referred to as kuni (kunde is not the common word. It's normally used as a curseword (fohsh)). We don't necessarily use a word for the subject but they can be referred to as kunkon, kunbâz.
shannenms wrote:But I still think there is no love between two gays, they are just fakers, abusers. Can you even imagine that you may love a guy , I myself can't think about it at all!!!!!!!!!
I think I can't understand Sisyphe, guessing you are like me in this matter.
shannenms wrote:being utterly meaningless outside this sexual scope, then what we are talking about here is just an intercourse which is by chance about two men.
Sisyphe wrote:So I will reiterate for you that homosexuality in the Western World is not at all a mere abusive sexual relationship - far from it! - here, gay partners are often involved in committed relationships that are based on love, not lust. Not to say that they don't get sexual!
BTW, I didn't understand well: you say that on this account that animals may practice homosexuality we are allowed to do this?
Shannenms wrote:I think you are very open-minded, let me give you a sketch of what I have realized from your post: Homosexuality is only a sexually-oriented behavior, being utterly meaningless outside [s]this[/s] the sexual scope, [s]then[/s] so what we are talking about here is just [s]an[/s] intercourse which is by chance about two men. If there is only [s]intercourse matter[/s] the issue of intercourse left, which is [s]completely[/s] exclusively anal, how can you distinguish it from the anal attraction to a girl[s],[/s]? Nothing [s]is[/s] has changed, only the way you view what intercourse is has changed.
This is completely obscene.
BTW, I didn't understand well: you say that [s]on this account that[/s] because animals [s]may[/s] practice homosexuality , we [s]are[/s] should be allowed to do this?
I don't want to offend anyone. I [s]love[/s] like you Sisyphe because you write English very [s]good[s] well, and itis instructive to me!!!!!!
Tell me if I amwrong,
Please correct my English,
Thanks.
Sisyphe wrote:shannenms wrote:being utterly meaningless outside this sexual scope, then what we are talking about here is just an intercourse which is by chance about two men.
Hmm...did you catch this in my second to last post? If you didn't understand, I was trying to tell you that in the West, our concept of sexual orientation extends past sex. I think thats reasonable...after all, what is it that causes us to have sex? - Isn't it partly attraction? - And attraction opens up an entirely new horizon to look into.
Here is what I said, again:Sisyphe wrote:So I will reiterate for you that homosexuality in the Western World is not at all a mere abusive sexual relationship - far from it! - here, gay partners are often involved in committed relationships that are based on love, not lust. Not to say that they don't get sexual!BTW, I didn't understand well: you say that on this account that animals may practice homosexuality we are allowed to do this?
No, you mentioned how the world would be if all humans were gay, and I basically responded that I don't feel that I have to explain that scenario because it's simply not possible. Then I said that human intelligence is so great that we are able to transcend the mere 'be born - reproduce - die' cycle that the animals go through. In other words, gays have other contributions to society other than reproduction - in both of our cultures alike.
Here are my corrections to your last message, as I understood it:Shannenms wrote:I think you are very open-minded, let me give you a sketch of what I have realized from your post: Homosexuality is only a sexually-oriented behavior, being utterly meaningless outside [s]this[/s] the sexual scope, [s]then[/s] so what we are talking about here is just [s]an[/s] intercourse which is by chance about two men. If there is only [s]intercourse matter[/s] the issue of intercourse left, which is [s]completely[/s] exclusively anal, how can you distinguish it from the anal attraction to a girl[s],[/s]? Nothing [s]is[/s] has changed, only the way you view what intercourse is has changed.
This is completely obscene.
BTW, I didn't understand well: you say that [s]on this account that[/s] because animals [s]may[/s] practice homosexuality , we [s]are[/s] should be allowed to do this?
I don't want to offend anyone. I [s]love[/s] like you Sisyphe because you write English very [s]good[s] well, and itis instructive to me!!!!!!
Tell me if I amwrong,
Please correct my English,
Thanks.
Do you want me to PM my corrections next time?
shannems wrote:1-Do gays think about anything other than sex when they meet each other?
shannenms wrote:If they do, they are not gays.
shannenms wrote:2-How can you justify that there is love not lust?
shannenms wrote:3-What contribution do gays to the society, other than corrupting it?
shannenms wrote:4-Don't you think that your thought about homosexuality is not able to answer a simple question of reproduction?
shannenms wrote:5-How is this attraction?
shannenms wrote:6-Invitation of other people to be gay is part of this community?
Shannenms wrote:3-What contribution do gays to the society, other than corrupting it?
loqu wrote:I feel I'm not really «allowed» to discuss in here since I'm not currently learning Persian (though I'm interested in it), but well, I'm a gay and live in Spain, I'm fully out of the closet (don't have to be ashamed of anything) and my personal feeling is that the people who look down on me is a very small minority. Of course it depends on the area of the country (my area has always been typically gay-friendly, while some rural places are more hellish, e.g.).
It's true that some gays still have problems with integrist Christians, but so do single parents, non-married couples and Muslims, they have trouble with integrist Christians as well. I have never had a problem with anyone for the simple reason of being homosexual.
loqu wrote:And you're right, here in Andalusia it's free to have the sex change operation. It has to be previously approved by a psychologist of the health care system, though, so that he can certify that the patient feels he/she really belongs to the other gender.
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