Saim - Malay

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Saim - Malay

Postby Saim » 2017-01-17, 15:58

I'll probably go to Brunei twice this year because my mum is currently working there. There they actually speak Brunei Malay, but since there are essentially no resources for it I think I'll take the opportunity to learn some basic Malay (the official language) even though Malay and Brunei Malay aren't really more mutually intelligible than Malay and some of the other Austronesian languages spoken in the region.

I've been trying to get into Malay for the past couple of months, but I just couldn't bring myself to go beyond the second lesson of Routledge Colloquial Malay. Today I tried combining different resources, and I finally enjoyed it and was able to do a couple of hours of it. Below are my notes; I made sure to note down any Arabic and Sanskrit loans and their equivalents in Hindi-Urdu and Punjabi (I'm really surprised at how much Sanskrit there is in there, even grammatically important words like sudah and kerana!).

Routledge Colloquial Malay: 2 ini bukan anak Susan

hendak - to want
sudah - perfective particle (from Sanskrit शुद्ध)
yang - which, the one that

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haruslah - must
tahu - know

bertutur - speak, converse
bertutur dalam

mengajar - teach (student - pelajar; students - pelajar-pelajar)
tentang - about, regarding
walaupun - although
berlainan - diverse, different (different = berbeza)

bertumpu - focused
bertumpu kepada

mahu - want

merupakan - constitute, be
Rupa (form, appearance; from Sanskrit रूप) along with agent-focus prefix meng- and causative suffix -kan. Cognate to Urdu روپ/रूप and Punjabi روپ/ਰੂਪ.

memberi - give
(memberikan fokus kepada = bertumpu kepada?)

walaubagaimanapun - however
mengabaikan - neglect, overlook

ataupun - or (=atau; pun - also, even)
selain (itu) - besides, furthermore

antarabangsa - international
bangsa - nation; Sanskrit वंश. wangsa - dynasty also comes from वंश. Cognate to Urdu वंश/ونش - race, clan, lineage.
antara means between and comes from Sanskrit अन्तर, which funnily enough is related to the entre of many Romance languages, as well as English inter- and intra-.
kerana - because (from Sanskrit कारण, cognate to Urdu کارن/कारण and Punjabi کارن/ਕਾਰਨ - cause, reason)

kebangsaan - national
and others (and so on?) - dan lain-lain (lain - other)
iaitu - that is to say, namely
sama - same
dengan - with
sama dengan - equal to, same as
mahir - competent, proficient, skillful (cognate to Urdu ماہر/माहिर, from Arabic ماهر)
mempunyai (meng- + punya) - have, possess
tersendiri - individual, respective

Faizal Tahir - Bukan Yang Pertama
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kau - you (=anda?)
pertama - first, primary
kedua - second
hanya - only
terkini - latest (kini - now, current)
terakhir - last (from Arabic أخر)
selamanya - forever
tunggu - wait
dengar - hear
dahulu - before
jangan - do not
begitu - like that
berlalu - pass
cerita - story
dulu - first, formerly, before
diriku - me, myself
namun - however
ku - my (=saya?)
sewaktu - when (from Arabic وقت)
hati - heart
bagai - like, as if (~macam?)
pasti - certainly
kisah - story, legend, tale
mu - your (=anda?)

dah = sudah
biar - let, allow
lalu, berlalu - pass
yang dah lalu biar berlalu
that-which perfective pass let habitual-pass
Let what’s in the past stay in the past.

gadis - girl
perlu - need (tidak perlu - unnecessary)

sempurna - perfect, complete
I suspect this is cognate to Urdu پورا/पूरा and Punjabi پورا/ਪੂਰਾ (whole, entire, complete) which is from Sanskrit पुरण (filled, whole, fulfilled). According to Wiktionary this is also cognate to Germanic full/vol/voll, Romance plein/ple/lleno/pieno/cheio/plin and Slavic pun/pełny/полный/повний/poln.

menilai - judge, appraise
terburu - rush

jadikan - to turn into (transitive)
jadi (to become) + transitive suffix -kan. jadi comes from Sanskrit जाति, which means birth, rebirth or caste. Cognate to Urdu جاتی/जाति and Punjabi جاتی/ਜਾਤੀ (caste, community).

ratu - queen, monarch
hidup - life
menyakiti - hurt, inflict pain
disakiti - be hurt

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Re: Saim - Malay

Postby Saim » 2017-01-18, 8:03

Faizal Tahir - Assalamualaikum

lihat - see
mengapa - why
bunuh - kill
kaca - glass (kaca TV = TV screen?)
darah - blood
air mata - tears (air - water, mata - eye)
agama - religion
jiwa - soul (probably cognate to Urdu جیون/जीवन and جیو/जीव and Punjabi جیون/ਜੀਵਨ and جیو/ਜੀਵ)
terasa - feel (from Sanskrit रस sap, juice, liquid, feeling; cognate to Urdu رس/रस juice and Punjabi رس/ਰਸ juice)
bakar - burn

terima - accept, receive
terima kasih means thank you, literally receive care

sahaja - only, just
bangunlah - get up, arise
diri kita - ourselves
serupa - similar, alike
damai - peace
manusia - human, humanity (from Sanskrit मनुष्य, cognate to Urdu مانو/मानव and مانس/मानस and Marathi माणूस, maybe also Punjabi منُکّھ/ਮਨੁੱਖ and منُکّھتا/ਮਨੁੱਖਤਾ)

bersaudara - relative, fraternal
warna - colour (from Sanskrit वर्ण, Urdu ورن/वर्ण; race, caste)
kulit - skin
kaum - community, ethnic roup (from Arabic قوم nation/people, cognate to Urdu قوم/कौम and Punjabi قوم/ਕੌਮ)
adakah - whether, interrogative particle
asal usul - origin
mengatasi - overcome, surpass
untuk - to, for

bersalah - guilty
selalu - always
leka - careless
ampuni - forgive
berdosa - sin
berubah - change
hari ini - today

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Re: Saim - Malay

Postby eskandar » 2017-01-21, 18:52

Since you linked to it in your signature I thought I'd check out your Malay thread. It's a language I've long wanted to learn but probably won't ever get the chance to. It's cool to see all the Sanskrit and Arabic loans.

Saim wrote:kisah - story, legend, tale

cf. Arabic قصة , also used in Urdu and Punjabi.

sempurna - perfect, complete
I suspect this is cognate to Urdu پورا/पूरा and Punjabi پورا/ਪੂਰਾ (whole, entire, complete) which is from Sanskrit पुरण (filled, whole, fulfilled). According to Wiktionary this is also cognate to Germanic full/vol/voll, Romance plein/ple/lleno/pieno/cheio/plin and Slavic pun/pełny/полный/повний/poln.

Seems your suspicion is correct!

asal usul - origin

cf. Arabic اصل اصول , also used in Urdu and Punjabi.
Please correct my mistakes in any language.

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Re: Saim - Malay

Postby Saim » 2017-01-26, 9:00

eskandar wrote:Since you linked to it in your signature I thought I'd check out your Malay thread. It's a language I've long wanted to learn but probably won't ever get the chance to.


I'm not going to focus much on it either, because I want to put more time into Arabic and Turkish. Just thought it would be a good idea to get the basics down given that I've got the opportunity to visit the region.

It's cool to see all the Sanskrit and Arabic loans.


Yeah, it's awesome. I didn't expect there to be this much Sanskrit.

cf. Arabic قصة , also used in Urdu and Punjabi.
[...]
Seems your suspicion is correct!
[...]
cf. Arabic اصل اصول , also used in Urdu and Punjabi.


Thanks!

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Re: Saim - Malay

Postby voron » 2017-02-07, 14:38

Faizal Tahir - Bukan Yang Pertama
Faizal Tahir - Assalamualaikum

Cool songs, I like them!
(My friends and I are considering visiting Indonesia this summer, so... some Indonesian may prove useful :))

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Re: Saim - Malay

Postby eskandar » 2017-02-09, 0:54

Sanskrit Loanwords in Indonesian (found in this Wordreference thread).
Please correct my mistakes in any language.

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Re: Saim - Malay

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-03-24, 19:13

Isn't it neat how many Sanskrit loanwords there are in Malay/Indonesian? Malay is even crazier that way than Malayalam is. :P There's a lot of it in other Southeast Asian languages, too, but not quite this much, I don't think. India has been influencing Indonesia/Malaysia for a long time! (And now on top of it all, there are Indian immigrants there, too, especially in Malaysia).

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Re: Saim - Malay

Postby eskandar » 2017-04-17, 19:35

Another stray observation about Sanskrit and Malay: it occurred to me that the capital of Brunei, Bandar Seri Begawan, sounded like it must have been derived from "Sri Bhagwan." Turns out...that's exactly right! Meanwhile "bandar" is originally from Persian.
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Re: Saim - Malay

Postby Meera » 2017-04-30, 16:31

Hey Saim!! You are learning Malay? That is awesome! How do you like the colloquial?
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