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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2013-06-01, 19:37

TeneReef wrote:The vowel in kjem is long or short? :hmm:
In Nynorsk, D is pronounced in med?(And G in og?)
Arna is pronounced with tone1 or 2?

Mange takk for hjelpa :wink:

I usually hear it short.

Aasen has in his notes that all dialects he came across had lost the G in og. Also, I feel like pronouncing final Ds is a Danish trait, but I am not sure about what the situation really is on the West coast. But I definitely hear a lot more people without the D there. I can think of three classmates who grew up with Nynorsk pronouncing the word as mæ or me.
Arna for me is tone 2
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby TeneReef » 2013-06-03, 16:38

i fjor and i fjord are pronounced the same? :hmm:
In gjorde the vowel is short or long?
I think gjort is [juʁt], but don't know about gjorde.
The vowel in Bergen is short, because it's ber-gen, and not berg-en, right? :hmm:
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2013-06-03, 21:26

TeneReef wrote:i fjor and i fjord are pronounced the same? :hmm:
In gjorde the vowel is short or long?
I think gjort is [juʁt], but don't know about gjorde.
The vowel in Bergen is short, because it's ber-gen, and not berg-en, right? :hmm:

1. Yes, they would be pronounced the same. Likewise, both should be written i fjord if historically correct. I also pronounce both with a retroflex R.

2. Gjorde is long. As a general rule, we need a long vowel before retroflex R (from <rð>) wherever this sound exists. But, as it is a very common word, you may hear it shortened. Just like how det, med, and ved may have a short vowel, long vowel, or maybe even a schwa.

3. I'm not sure that is the reason it is short, although you are correct about it being so. The word berga (pl. def. of [smaller] mountain or inf. of to save) also has a short vowel.
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby TeneReef » 2013-06-08, 15:48

Hi there,
how is Nynorsk me pronounced, as [me:], or as [mi:]? :hmm:
I thought it was [mi:], like de [di:] in Bokmaal, but I'm not sure now. :hmm:
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2013-06-09, 1:25

It's mi in Agder, but me in Rogaland. My friend from Oppland, who says , will pronounce it as [me:] when reading a text, though.

Just like how Nynorsk de is typically read as [de:] and not [di:] like in Bokmål (although "de" represents different pronouns in the two norms).
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby TeneReef » 2013-06-09, 12:36

I think I will pronounce it as /mi:/ so people not misunderstand it for med :P Do you find it cute?
Ei variantform er mi, som ein kjenner bl.a. frå Agder, Fyresdal, delar av Indre Sogn og i Selbu.


At bymålet har ei sterk påverknadskraft, kan vi og sjå av at mi er på frammarsj i Agder-fylka (Setesdalen, Snartemo, Flekkefjord) på kostnad av me, truleg fordi mi står så sterkt i bymåla på Sørlandet

http://www.sprakrad.no/Toppmeny/Publika ... _me_og_vi/


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In Nynorsk core area only Fjordane uses vi. :shock:
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2013-06-09, 15:18

Yup :P Haha, I don't think I think either one is cuter to be honest :lol: But whichever you choose, they're both widely used ;)
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby TeneReef » 2013-09-02, 0:30

The vowel in born/barn is short or long? :hmm:
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2013-09-17, 13:29

Long. Sorry for the extremely late reply!
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Levo » 2014-02-19, 0:20

Háhháá! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU9Lqcw2SNs

Especially from around the second minute.

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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby MikaelJan » 2014-05-09, 21:14

Hey, guys! I think I speak Norwegian pretty good as for an immigrant, but still I have some issues with hearing and pronouncing difference between a/æ. I know that a typical Norwegian would say "Va ær de" or "Ka ær de", but for me the vowels don't always seem different. My Norwegian friends have also noticed that I rather say "hænder" instead of "hender", even though I try really hard to pronounce the wide "e". The a/æ/e thing got quite confusing lately...

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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby Aleco » 2014-05-11, 13:56

It is tricky if you're not used to the distinction :hmm: What if you oversimplify a little bit? Think of English "bad" and "father".
"Bad" = Æ
"Father" = A

Would that work?
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby dEhiN » 2014-06-27, 22:11

I just started learning Norwegian, and since there's no spelling difference between the retroflex consonants (I think only d/t/n right?) and the non-retroflex (alveolar? dental?) ones, I find it hard to hear the distinction.

So my question is: how do I pronounce hvordan? What is the IPA for it?

My second (ok I suppose 4th or 5th so far!) question is: is h pronounced in Norwegian? I know it's not pronounced in hvordan, but is that just because of the v after it?
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby TeneReef » 2014-06-27, 22:29

dEhiN wrote:So my question is: how do I pronounce hvordan? What is the IPA for it?


hvordan [1vuɖɑn]
http://de.pons.com/%C3%BCbersetzung?q=h ... &in=&lf=no
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby dEhiN » 2014-06-27, 22:52

TeneReef wrote:
dEhiN wrote:So my question is: how do I pronounce hvordan? What is the IPA for it?


hvordan [1vuɖɑn]
http://de.pons.com/%C3%BCbersetzung?q=h ... &in=&lf=no


What's the superscript "1" for? Also, the "d" in det is an alveolar d, right? I've been learning the phrase Hvordan går det, and I'm trying to get the proper pronunciation.
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby TeneReef » 2014-06-27, 22:55

Superscript 1 is tone 1, which is LH in Oslo, and HL in Bergen
(Tone2 is realized as HLH in Oslo, and LHL in Bergen, for example [2jente] is jènté in Oslo, jéntè in Bergen.).
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby dEhiN » 2014-06-27, 23:01

TeneReef wrote:Superscript 1 is tone 1, which is LH in Oslo, and HL in Bergen
(Tone2 is realized as HLH in Oslo, and LHL in Bergen, for example [2 is jènté in Oslo, jéntè in Bergen.).


I haven't learned about the tones in Norwegian yet. Is it similar to Japanese, where high and low tones are primarily a dialectal distinction?
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby TeneReef » 2014-06-27, 23:15

Not really, tones are more important in Norwegian (and Swedish) than in Japanese.
The variant standard Japanese is based on (Tokyo Japanese) only has variable downstep.
Standard Norwegian (in either Oslo or in Bergen) has tonal distinction in disyllabic and polysyllabic words,
some variants (for example the accent used in Norway's 4th largest city: Trondheim) have tonal distinction even in monosyllables.
Tones is what make Norwegian and Swedish sound singy (rather than flat like Danish or German).

In all Norwegian dialects (except in the Norther-most ones by the Russian border), the phonological distinction between tones is maintained: the 1st tone is simple the 2nd tone is complex/compound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHnXihStww0

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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby thepolishguy » 2014-08-16, 16:36

I was just wondering... how do you assign tones to loanwords? There probably are some patterns that you follow.
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Re: PRONUNCIATION // Uttale

Postby TeneReef » 2014-08-16, 19:17

monosyllabic words get the 1st tone, bi- and polysyllabic words could get either (with polysyllabic words favoring the 1st tone except for compounds that get the 2nd tone):

1form
1baby
2mamma
1drama (it does not rhyme with 2dama [the lady])
1kaffi/kaffe
infek1sjon
2mobbing
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