The Political Compass (again)

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby loqu » 2015-07-07, 20:34

Did it again just to see how I evolved.

Oct 2007: -9.50, -7.03
Feb 2009: -8.12, -5.59
Nov 2010: -8.75, -6.87
June 2011: -9.50, -6.97
March 2013: -9.12, -7.95
July 2015: -10.0, -7.23

Made a nice Excel graph
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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby md0 » 2015-07-08, 12:40

I think I remain stable at -9/-9 for the last 4 years in this test.
But that didn't mean that the framework in which I pursued my socioeconomic views didn't shift. From Marxism-influenced social democrat, to social liberalism, to libertarian socialism with Communalist influences.
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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby md0 » 2015-07-14, 13:42

That shows up in my FB feed lately. http://www.celebritytypes.com/political ... s/test.php

Basically is the Political Compass test reworked to fit in what's acceptable mainstream politics in the US.

Original Political Compass
Authoriatarian Socialism | Authoritarian Capitalism
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Libertarian Socialism | Libertarian Capitalism

This test
Social Democracy | Conservatism
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Social Liberalism | Libertarianism
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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby Kiani » 2015-08-06, 12:44

meidei wrote:I think I remain stable at -9/-9 for the last 4 years in this test.
But that didn't mean that the framework in which I pursued my socioeconomic views didn't shift. From Marxism-influenced social democrat, to social liberalism, to libertarian socialism with Communalist influences.


Yeah, this test isn't great for radicals. A lot of the questions assume the existence of a capitalist system and state. I got (-10.00, -8.92) which makes me look like an anarchist, when I'm actually a Bolshevik-Leninist.

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby Патрислав Андреевич » 2015-08-06, 23:17

80.6% Right, 16.7% Communitarian
(Slightly more "Right" and less "Communitarian" than Reagan.)
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Economic Left/Right: 7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.77
(Almost exactly between Thatcher and Friedman.)

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Same test from 2 years ago:

Economic Left/Right: 5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.54

That'd be correct..

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby Koko » 2015-08-21, 21:20

Finally took this to see just where I stand on the spectrum, and I'm quite happy with the results (I guess :?: ).

Economic L/R: -4.5
Social Lib/Aut: -1.79

What does that mean?

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby Kiani » 2015-08-31, 16:48

Koko wrote:Finally took this to see just where I stand on the spectrum, and I'm quite happy with the results (I guess :?: ).

Economic L/R: -4.5
Social Lib/Aut: -1.79

What does that mean?


Economically centre-left, socially centrist. So you support a degree of government regulation of business while supporting private enterprise and economic freedom, and largely think that the government should stay out of people's personal lives but are not against restrictions on personal freedom when said restrictions will benefit society.

Does that sound about right to you?

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby Koko » 2015-08-31, 17:11

Kiani wrote:Economically centre-left, socially centrist. So you support a degree of government regulation of business :yep: while supporting private enterprise and economic freedom :? ,

I'm inclined to not agree with this, but (maybe cause I'm still not fully awake) not quite sure what this means :lol:
and largely think that the government should stay out of people's personal lives

Indeed.
but are not against restrictions on personal freedom when said restrictions will benefit society.

Largely depends on what it is. I can't think of any now, but I'm sure there have been a few restrictions (or plans for) that were supposed to benefit society, but I just couldn't agree.

Does that sound about right to you?

A little. Except for agreeing with private enterprise. I'm not too fond of those. I thought I'd be slightly less central to be honest :lol: But I wonder how much more I'd agree or disagree.

Thanks ^^

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby Saaropean » 2015-09-02, 1:45

For the Canadians here: You can compare yourselves with the major political parties for this fall's election.
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https://votecompass.cbc.ca/ uses a 3-dimensional scale and specifically Canadian questions. It told me to vote for the Bloc or the NDP (which is called NPD here – check what those three letters mean in Germany). If I were allowed to vote here, that is.

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby Koko » 2015-09-02, 2:37

I took a quiz similar to that one a while ago and it had almost the same amount as questions, and similar answers too, but you could also choose to view more answers which got slightly more specific. On that one I got NDP as the party for me, with Liberals and Green as my next best options. My least were obviously then Conservatives, that Christians' party (Christian Heritage??), and Bloc (because I don't want Quebec to leave us: You're too precious to Canada :mrgreen: Dunno how though). If there had been more answers for the Communist party, they might've been higher up too, probly replacing Green since they were the fourth best.

Anyways, I always knew NDP was the party that suited me best. Without taking any test ^^

I'm going to guess you're (Saaropean) NPD is something akin to "New Party for Democracy?"

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby vijayjohn » 2015-09-02, 2:43

Koko wrote:I'm going to guess you're (Saaropean) NPD is something akin to "New Party for Democracy?"

No, "National Democratic Party." It's a far-right party. Compare the National Socialist German Workers' Party, a.k.a. Nazis.

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby Kiani » 2015-09-02, 7:46

Koko wrote:
Kiani wrote:Economically centre-left, socially centrist. So you support a degree of government regulation of business :yep: while supporting private enterprise and economic freedom :? ,

I'm inclined to not agree with this, but (maybe cause I'm still not fully awake) not quite sure what this means :lol:
and largely think that the government should stay out of people's personal lives

Indeed.
but are not against restrictions on personal freedom when said restrictions will benefit society.

Largely depends on what it is. I can't think of any now, but I'm sure there have been a few restrictions (or plans for) that were supposed to benefit society, but I just couldn't agree.

Does that sound about right to you?

A little. Except for agreeing with private enterprise. I'm not too fond of those. I thought I'd be slightly less central to be honest :lol: But I wonder how much more I'd agree or disagree.

Thanks ^^


By "free enterprise," etc. I basically meant capitalism, but I was trying to paint it more positively and perhaps in a more libertarian (in the loose sense of the word) fashion. If you're not fond of it, though...are you a socialist, or do you just support regulation?

I guess restrictions on third-trimester abortions would count as government intervention that could be argued to benefit society, since it arguably saves the fetus' life and prevents the mother from making a choice that she might regret. (I don't agree with this, it's just an example.)

Edit: I spelled "trimester," as "trimestre,"...damn you, French!

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby Koko » 2015-09-02, 9:23

Kiani wrote:By "free enterprise," etc. I basically meant capitalism, but I was trying to paint it more positively and perhaps in a more libertarian (in the loose sense of the word) fashion. If you're not fond of it, though...are you a socialist, or do you just support regulation?

Hmm, I've always considered myself a socialist since learning more of what terms mean. I know there are types of socialism that sort of go for capitalism (in a way possible that still works with socialist beliefs) and others that absolutely don't, but honestly, I'm not sure if I truly side on either. But to answer your question as simply as possible, I'm a socialist.

I guess restrictions on third-trimester abortions would count as government intervention that could be argued to benefit society, since it arguably saves the fetus' life and prevents the mother from making a choice that she might regret. (I don't agree with this, it's just an example.)

I wouldn't necessarily say yes or no to that regulation. Personally, I think if you wanted an abortion you would've gotten it as soon as possible rather than wasting 6 or so months being pregnant. As stupid as I'd think the one who decides the third trimester is a fabulous time to abort the baby, I still agree that the woman should have that option (even if the fetus is in its final stages of development).

Edit: I spelled "trimester," as "trimestre,"...damn you, French!

:lol: I feel that would be a perfectly acceptable Canadian spelling via analogy of metre, centre, etc.

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby Kiani » 2015-09-02, 18:26

Koko wrote:
Kiani wrote:By "free enterprise," etc. I basically meant capitalism, but I was trying to paint it more positively and perhaps in a more libertarian (in the loose sense of the word) fashion. If you're not fond of it, though...are you a socialist, or do you just support regulation?

Hmm, I've always considered myself a socialist since learning more of what terms mean. I know there are types of socialism that sort of go for capitalism (in a way possible that still works with socialist beliefs) and others that absolutely don't, but honestly, I'm not sure if I truly side on either. But to answer your question as simply as possible, I'm a socialist.


Nuh-uh. Those "types of socialism that go for capitalism," (I assume by this you mean the ideologies of parties like Die Linke, SYRIZA/Popular Unity and Podemos and people like Sanders, Corbyn etc.) are plain capitalism, just with a more paternalistic government and a different sort of bullshit sloganeering. Socialism means socialised means of production, which necessarily entails the total negation of every aspect of capitalism. If you support that, then...well, solidarity, comrade :) . If you support a more "leftist," capitalism, then "social democrat," would be the label you're looking for.

I guess restrictions on third-trimester abortions would count as government intervention that could be argued to benefit society, since it arguably saves the fetus' life and prevents the mother from making a choice that she might regret. (I don't agree with this, it's just an example.)

I wouldn't necessarily say yes or no to that regulation. Personally, I think if you wanted an abortion you would've gotten it as soon as possible rather than wasting 6 or so months being pregnant. As stupid as I'd think the one who decides the third trimester is a fabulous time to abort the baby, I still agree that the woman should have that option (even if the fetus is in its final stages of development).


I'm surprised you didn't score much further down the chart, in that case. I got -8.92 (on the y axis) and I'm a Trotskyist, which is considered authoritarian by many socialists.

Edit: I spelled "trimester," as "trimestre,"...damn you, French!

:lol: I feel that would be a perfectly acceptable Canadian spelling via analogy of metre, centre, etc.


I use British English, so that should be correct for me too, but I've never seen anyone use that spelling. I don't know. English is weird.

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby Koko » 2015-09-02, 19:31

Kiani wrote:Nuh-uh. Those "types of socialism that go for capitalism," (I assume by this you mean the ideologies of parties like Die Linke, SYRIZA/Popular Unity and Podemos and people like Sanders, Corbyn etc.) are plain capitalism, just with a more paternalistic government and a different sort of bullshit sloganeering. Socialism means socialised means of production, which necessarily entails the total negation of every aspect of capitalism. If you support that, then...well, solidarity, comrade :) .

Oh, then yes, I do support the negation of capitalism ^^

I'm surprised you didn't score much further down the chart, in that case. I got -8.92 (on the y axis) and I'm a Trotskyist, which is considered authoritarian by many socialists.

Interesting, I think I did say strongly agree for that question on abortion in the test. Perhaps it was because of some other questions. I did stay with the simple agree/disagree for a lot of questions, maybe that kept me so high?

I use British English, so that should be correct for me too, but I've never seen anyone use that spelling. I don't know. English is weird.

Yeah, at least you've experienced the same spelling dilemma a native English speaker would have :lol:

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby md0 » 2015-09-02, 20:22

I'm surprised you didn't score much further down the chart, in that case. I got -8.92 (on the y axis) and I'm a Trotskyist, which is considered authoritarian by many socialists.

Still, in non-revolutionary context, we'd rather work with Trotskyists rather than Stalinists and Maoists.

Left unity is a trap though.
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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby Kiani » 2015-09-03, 8:49

Koko wrote:
Kiani wrote:Nuh-uh. Those "types of socialism that go for capitalism," (I assume by this you mean the ideologies of parties like Die Linke, SYRIZA/Popular Unity and Podemos and people like Sanders, Corbyn etc.) are plain capitalism, just with a more paternalistic government and a different sort of bullshit sloganeering. Socialism means socialised means of production, which necessarily entails the total negation of every aspect of capitalism. If you support that, then...well, solidarity, comrade :) .

Oh, then yes, I do support the negation of capitalism ^^


Yaaaay! *claps*

The next thing to do is find out which tiny irrelevant splinter group you sympathise with...though I don't blame you if you don't want to!

Oh and read Capital. It's not that scary, I swear.


I'm surprised you didn't score much further down the chart, in that case. I got -8.92 (on the y axis) and I'm a Trotskyist, which is considered authoritarian by many socialists.

Interesting, I think I did say strongly agree for that question on abortion in the test. Perhaps it was because of some other questions. I did stay with the simple agree/disagree for a lot of questions, maybe that kept me so high?


Now, that won't do, comrade. If you want to be a true communist, you have to be as raaadical as possible, to the point of cutting yourself with your edginess.

I use British English, so that should be correct for me too, but I've never seen anyone use that spelling. I don't know. English is weird.

Yeah, at least you've experienced the same spelling dilemma a native English speaker would have :lol:


I guess failing about a thousand primary school spelling tests helps with something...

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby Kiani » 2015-09-03, 8:52

meidei wrote:
I'm surprised you didn't score much further down the chart, in that case. I got -8.92 (on the y axis) and I'm a Trotskyist, which is considered authoritarian by many socialists.

Still, in non-revolutionary context, we'd rather work with Trotskyists rather than Stalinists and Maoists.

Left unity is a trap though.
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Really? I wouldn't have thought anarchists would see any difference between us and Stalinists. Why do you prefer to work with Trots?

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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby md0 » 2015-09-03, 9:21

Really? I wouldn't have thought anarchists would see any difference between us and Stalinists. Why do you prefer to work with Trots?

I really think it has more to do with the history of the left in the Greek-speaking world and it wouldn't be the same if I lived elsewhere.
Trots and Anarchists always get beaten up in the streets by the Stalinists of the Communist Party of Greece (in Cyprus they are simply politically marginalised by the [nominally] Democratic Socialist Party AKEL which monopolises the Left - they actually use entryism to disband any new left-wing parties from the inside).
Shared experiences create some sense of affinity. So in a non-revolutionary context, like right now, we find common ground to work together and hold an antifascist march or something.
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Re: The Political Compass (again)

Postby Koko » 2015-09-03, 9:51

Kiani wrote:Yaaaay! *claps*

The next thing to do is find out which tiny irrelevant splinter group you sympathise with...though I don't blame you if you don't want to!

I've always been so confused by how the philosophies were different from each other. Is there any site with lists of what they all agree on and then what each does different? That would save so much research ^^

Oh and read Capital. It's not that scary, I swear.

I'll see if I can find it in the library, or otherwise save to buy online or in-store (if I can find it).

Now, that won't do, comrade. If you want to be a true communist, you have to be as raaadical as possible, to the point of cutting yourself with your edginess.

All the time :shock: ? Gotcha ;) (that is, I'll take it again soon and try to be so radical :mrgreen: )

(and now I'm starting to see what Levike meant by my use of the emoticons :lol: :oops: )


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