IpseDixit wrote:loqu wrote:Car wrote:IpseDixit wrote:For a moment I thought Pope Francis was a new user.
Good to read I wasn't the only one.
would be fun for sure.
Who knows what languages he'd learn.
Maybe I'd finally have a study buddy!
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IpseDixit wrote:loqu wrote:Car wrote:IpseDixit wrote:For a moment I thought Pope Francis was a new user.
Good to read I wasn't the only one.
would be fun for sure.
Who knows what languages he'd learn.
Wait, what would be an example of a homonormative society?And in homonormative societies, people seem to identify as homosexual for the same reason
mōdgethanc wrote:Wait, what would be an example of a homonormative society?And in homonormative societies, people seem to identify as homosexual for the same reason
Are they, though? Fellatio is a rite of passage but I don't know if there is or ever has been a whole society where gay intercourse was the norm and hetero was an exception. Maybe Sparta.vijayjohn wrote:Certain societies in Papua New Guinea that we talked about a while back
How times change!But also, pre-Christian Celtic civilizations, where various Ancient Greek/Roman commentators claimed the men preferred to sleep with each other instead of with women (and one went so far as to claim that if one man invited another to sleep with him, and the other refused, it would be taken as an insult), and IIRC there's plenty of written evidence from Old Irish literature that both male and female homosexuality were considered normal in Ireland as well.
mōdgethanc wrote:Are they, though?
Fellatio is a rite of passage but I don't know if there is or ever has been a whole society where gay intercourse was the norm and hetero was an exception. Maybe Sparta.
How times change!
I'm skeptical because that dick-sucking ritual doesn't alone imply the whole culture was homonormative. However, I've found at least one tribe that supposedly was, and only had hetero sex for reproduction. So much for cultural universals!vijayjohn wrote:They certainly were.
I know how to use Wikipedia. Frankly, I felt like you posting that was a rather passive-aggressive gesture. Maybe that's not what you intended, butAha, so you are interested! Time for you to take a look at that link in my last post.
The saddest thing for me is seeing enlightened people give into it so easily. Yesterday evening my mother was paging through a yarn catalog and saying, "If you're looking for neon-coloured yarn, looks like they've got it all. I could make socks for all the boys." A moment later she said absently, "Pink, won't be using that." And I was like, "Why not? Pink is some of them's favourite colour." I mean, fuck me, you're making multicolour neon socks and you can't put any pink in them because some of their classmates might be troglodytes? This is why things change so goddamn slowly.Varislintu wrote:I often think about it from the angle of what if I had a son. I feel like a parent can't do much to counteract the messages and the policing, because the pressure to conform comes from so many directions.
linguoboy wrote:The saddest thing for me is seeing enlightened people give into it so easily. Yesterday evening my mother was paging through a yarn catalog and saying, "If you're looking for neon-coloured yarn, looks like they've got it all. I could make socks for all the boys." A moment later she said absently, "Pink, won't be using that." And I was like, "Why not? Pink is some of them's favourite colour." I mean, fuck me, you're making multicolour neon socks and you can't put any pink in them because some of their classmates might be troglodytes? This is why things change so goddamn slowly.
I think I've already told the story here of how the same thing happened to my oldest nephew (now a teenager). His father's reaction was so great: "Maybe I should start wearing a pink shirt." So that's what I bought him for Christmas and he got a good laugh out of it. I have no doubts that he actually went on to wear it, but it was too little to overcome the barrage of heteronormativity at school.Varislintu wrote:Yeah. One of my little kid relatives, a sort of boyish boy, his favourite colour as a toddler was pink. Then some girl in his daycare informed him that pink is a girl colour. That was the end of pink in his life.
meidei wrote:I cannot stop thinking that gender is violence.
One of the convicted rapists serving life imprisonment, Mukesh Singh, was interviewed for the documentary. He said in the interview "When being raped, she shouldn’t fight back. She should just be silent and allow the rape. Then they’d have dropped her off after ‘doing her’, and only hit the boy." He later added, "A girl is far more responsible for rape than a boy … A decent girl won’t roam around at nine o’clock at night … Housework and housekeeping is for girls, not roaming in discos and bars at night doing wrong things, wearing wrong clothes."
A. P. Singh, a defence lawyer in the case, was shown saying, “If my daughter or sister engaged in pre-marital activities and disgraced herself and allowed herself to lose face and character by doing such things, I would most certainly take this sort of sister or daughter to my farmhouse, and in front of my entire family, I would put petrol on her and set her alight.” Asked later if he stood by those comments, he insisted that he did.
With intense pain and a heavy heart comes this post from me.I am someone who never comments on any controversial issues as a rule and policy but here the woman in me keeps her head high and wishes all my fellow female counter parts a very strong Woman's day.May you have the courage to live in this world.
Posting my views on the India's daughter documentary...
Nobody absolutely nobody can disrespect India's daughter. There has been a lot of discussions on how the convict could make statements and whether it is glorification of the convicts. For me it is not the convict's comments that is surprising or shocking. The group of men... No animals were of disgusting mindset is beyond doubt. But what is the justification for the lawyers who have made some shocking remarks. These are supposed to be professional individuals who are an important part of the society. Did the camera get them excited ... No they spoke their mind... The sick mind that seems to be a dominant phenomenon in our society, wanting to run the women down and blame her for everything that could possibly be wrong. We don't need a documentary to tell us what minds exists in this country. Ask a woman and she experiences it, everyday. Some fight back, like the valiant Nirbhaya did and others just silently bear it! Happy women's day
vijayjohn wrote:Just a few days ago, India's Daughter, a BBC documentary on the 2012 Delhi gang rape case was released. It was planned to be broadcast in India on International Women's day (this Sunday) and was also uploaded on YouTube, but the Indian government blocked it and got YouTube to block it in India as well.
Varislintu wrote:This surprises me, because I don't follow the current atmosphere in India very much. Is the government truly in denial over women's issues to this degree?
I encountered the gang rapist's rationalisations in my feeds. It was remarkable how text book horrible they were. Like, so perfectly representative of the classical types of misogyny that feminism has tried to oppose, and the ideas of women that it has tried to break down in the West. He almost sounds like an internet troll, because it's hard to believe anyone's opinions would form such a text book example.
vijayjohn wrote:In that case, you'd be shocked to see how Indian men (or perhaps I should go further and say South Asian men) talk about women, just in general. Considering some of the things that women and girls are forced to endure in India, I'm honestly not sure that the situation of women in India is better than that of women in Afghanistan.
vijayjohn wrote:In that case, you'd be shocked to see how Indian men (or perhaps I should go further and say South Asian men) talk about women, just in general. Considering some of the things that women and girls are forced to endure in India, I'm honestly not sure that the situation of women in India is better than that of women in Afghanistan.
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