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ILuvEire wrote:Car, on the Wikipedia page, the German is called "die Lebensrechtsbewegung" ("the right to life movement"). Have you ever heard that term before?
ILuvEire wrote:I really think that the pro-life/pro-choice thing is silly, it should just be pro-abortion and anti-abortion, because at the end of the day, I don't think that any of us pro-choicers have any qualms about saying that we think that women should have access to abortion.
ILuvEire wrote:it should just be pro-abortion and anti-abortion
Massimiliano B wrote:What do you think about «after-birth abortion»? I think it's inhuman. See here:
http://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2012/0 ... 00411.full
This paragraph shocked me:
«(...) we claim that killing a newborn could be ethically permissible in all the circumstances where abortion would be. Such circumstances include cases where the newborn has the potential to have an (at least) acceptable life, but the well-being of the family is at risk».
The «well-being of a family»?? How could an omicide improve the well-being of a family?
The authors, in the abstract, write clearly that killing a newborn could be ethically permissible «including cases where the newborn is not disabled», if the well-being of the family is at risk.
What do you think about it?
Massimiliano B wrote:What do you think about «after-birth abortion»? I think it's inhuman. See here:
http://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2012/0 ... 00411.full
This paragraph shocked me:
«(...) we claim that killing a newborn could be ethically permissible in all the circumstances where abortion would be. Such circumstances include cases where the newborn has the potential to have an (at least) acceptable life, but the well-being of the family is at risk».
The «well-being of a family»?? How could an omicide improve the well-being of a family?
The authors, in the abstract, write clearly that killing a newborn could be ethically permissible «including cases where the newborn is not disabled», if the well-being of the family is at risk.
What do you think about it?
as a guy my view is
in my opinion
to me
meidei wrote:as a guy my view isin my opinionto me
We are glad you shared your expert opinion as a person who might be at some point affected by this issue, and you also have the medical credentials to define the limits that should apply to abortion.
Oh wait. You are neither.
meidei wrote:Yes, pretty much, seeing that those are the things that count.
meidei wrote:No, you can't say the same about me. You didn't see me telling people when they should be able to have an abortion child murder, and when they should not. It's actually none of my business, nor is yours.
Having an opinion isn't that special. I have lots. Everyone does. They aren't necessarily valid and they shouldn't be automatically respected because someone holds them.
languagepotato wrote:as a guy who (generally) disagrees with abortion, my view is like this:
abortion should be illegal UNLESS
- the woman asking for abortion was raped
OR
- the woman asking for abortion and/or the 'abortee'* will be in grave danger if they don't go through with the abortion
in my opinion it's like this: don't kill , just because you can't cope with the consequences of your mistakes.
i often hear 'my body, my decisions!', well, what about the kid (to me, the kid starts being a kid, the moment the sperm enters the egg) himself/herself?
* I can't find a better word for kid who is being aborted
Varislintu wrote:languagepotato wrote:as a guy who (generally) disagrees with abortion, my view is like this:
abortion should be illegal UNLESS
- the woman asking for abortion was raped
OR
- the woman asking for abortion and/or the 'abortee'* will be in grave danger if they don't go through with the abortion
in my opinion it's like this: don't kill , just because you can't cope with the consequences of your mistakes.
i often hear 'my body, my decisions!', well, what about the kid (to me, the kid starts being a kid, the moment the sperm enters the egg) himself/herself?
* I can't find a better word for kid who is being aborted
So let's see the checklist :
1) Women people (not only women, men too) should cope with the consequences of their mistakes.
2) But if they were raped, it's okay to kill a "kid" are a victim of something, it's okay to undo the harm (to the extent it's possible (i know it's impossible to undo rape)).
So it's the "illegalised abortion as punishment for women who can't keep their legs closed don't kill feti/fetuses" variant of anti-choice-killing opinion (i'm very pro-choice, as long as it doesn't hurt others). It's quite common.
Btw, if a kid starts when an egg is fertilised, do you consider me morally a mass murderer for using a copper IUD as birth contol? kinda, the best ways for birth control are imo 'not doing it', 'doing it with yourself' or 'doing it with a condom (but the last one isn't that foolproof)'
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