languagepotato wrote:1) Women people (not only women, men too) should cope with the consequences of their mistakes.
I agree, which is why I'm staunchly in favour of male pregnancy.
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languagepotato wrote:1) Women people (not only women, men too) should cope with the consequences of their mistakes.
abortion = child murder
it's okay to undo the harm (to the extent it's possible
meidei wrote:abortion = child murderit's okay to undo the harm (to the extent it's possible
So, you are in favour of honour killing, by the standards you have set?
You are approving the killing of something you consider a human being because it caused harm to someone else (I assume you mean the woman who was raped), just because it exists.languagepotato wrote:meidei wrote:abortion = child murderit's okay to undo the harm (to the extent it's possible
So, you are in favour of honour killing, by the standards you have set?
no, that's not undoing the harm, that's harming the people who did the harm.
3) But the crux of the issue is: you think it is okay to kill the child if the mother is not as guilty, in your eyes, of transgression. Do you see how much this is about the mother to you, not about the child? The kid didn't rape anyone. It is just as innocent as the ones created in consensual sex. But to you it matters more whether the mother has suffered or not, and how much. Abortion is a reward in this kind of thinking. Withholding it is, consequently, a punishment. It has little to do with the kid, I think. The same can be seen in your view about medical issues: if the mother will suffer very much medically, then we can allow her an abortion. Again, the kid is just as innocent. But suffering can buy the kids' death, if you or whatever jury is convinced enough. It's nice to sit and decide such matters for others, isn't it? One can appear merciful.
This.Varislintu wrote:3) But the crux of the issue is: you think it is okay to kill the child if the mother is not as guilty, in your eyes, of transgression. Do you see how much this is about the mother to you, not about the child? The kid didn't rape anyone. It is just as innocent as the ones created in consensual sex. But to you it matters more whether the mother has suffered or not, and how much. Abortion is a reward in this kind of thinking. Withholding it is, consequently, a punishment. It has little to do with the kid, I think. The same can be seen in your view about medical issues: if the mother will suffer very much medically, then we can allow her an abortion. Again, the kid is just as innocent. But suffering can buy the kids' death, if you or whatever jury is convinced enough. It's nice to sit and decide such matters for others, isn't it? One can appear merciful.
Massimiliano B wrote:You were a foetus. So, yes, foetuses are very special.
Massimiliano B wrote:I think that you and the foetus you were have the same value and are the same entity.
Varislintu wrote:(...)
And should it somehow make me feel good to know that fetus-me was so special that society could take my mothers body from her and give it to me?
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I wouldn't consider it a gift from society that society had done that to my mother, if she hadn't wanted to be pregnant with me and abortion was illegal. I'd be pretty pissed off on her behalf, and horrified at the cost at which I came to be. And I'd be perfectly aware that as soon as I became pregnant, I'd potentially be treated the same. Basically I'd feel like both me and my mother (and women) are some kind of pawns in a game of asserting power --- society would be asserting its power over my mother's body by using fetus-me, and then later asserting its power over my body by using either my actual or even just potential pregnancy.
xivrox wrote:Yeah, there is one wrong. Murdering babies, i.e. other human beings. I will never understand how people can be so insensitive and heartless.
to me, the kid starts being a kid, the moment the sperm enters the egg
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