Romanian Discussion Group

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Re: Romanian Discussion Group

Postby JaxJones » 2016-05-06, 6:50

Aix wrote:
Levike wrote:If you stick with /e̯a/ and /o̯a/ you're going to be absolutely fine.

Just go with this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Romanian :wink:

PS: One word where you always say /ja/ is the personal pronoun "ea" (she), but that's because of etymological reasons.

Thank you for your quick reply! Should I take your answer to mean that /e̯a/ and /o̯a/ is how they are pronounced and that Wiktionary is wrong, or that variation exists but that I shouldn't bother with it?


When I pronounce words with oa I usually pronounce them like ua.
For example...oarbă sounds like uarbă. Or the word coaie sounds very much like cuaie.
IF anything I would stop analyzing/relying on IPA and reading and start to listen. What material are you using to practice your listening/pronunciation skills?

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Re: Romanian Discussion Group

Postby Levike » 2016-05-06, 8:01

JaxJones wrote:When I pronounce words with oa I usually pronounce them like ua.

I'm guessing that's not really standard...

In my opinion, it's better to go with the standard while being aware of the differences there might be.
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Re: Romanian Discussion Group

Postby JaxJones » 2016-05-06, 12:03

Levike wrote:
JaxJones wrote:When I pronounce words with oa I usually pronounce them like ua.

I'm guessing that's not really standard...

In my opinion, it's better to go with the standard while being aware of the differences there might be.


The standard is sometimes utopic.
Speaking of "oa", I don't really hear the 'o' actually being pronounced as 'o' in this diftong, the sound ranges somewhere between an 'o' and much more towards a 'u'. On the other hand, here in Transylvania at least there are plenty of people that will pronounce it like the Hungarian 'a' (the aw sound).

Coaie becomes Cawye.
Soare becomes Sawre.

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Re: Romanian Discussion Group

Postby Levike » 2016-05-06, 12:12

JaxJones wrote:The standard is sometimes utopic.

Compared to other languages Romanian is still more unitary, differences being more in pronunciation and some words here and there.

If he goes with the standard described by IPA, that's a sure road, because pronouncing soare with oa as a diphthong between o and a would sound equally okay for everyone.

On the other hand, here in Transylvania at least there are plenty of people that will pronounce it like the Hungarian 'a' (the aw sound).

To me the way Romanians pronounce this Hungarian 'a' sounds more like something closer to 'o'.
Not 'o', but something close.
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Re: Romanian Discussion Group

Postby JaxJones » 2016-05-06, 12:57

Levike wrote:
JaxJones wrote:The standard is sometimes utopic.

Compared to other languages Romanian is still more unitary, differences being more in pronunciation and some words here and there.

If he goes with the standard described by IPA, that's a sure road, because pronouncing soare with oa as a diphthong between o and a would sound equally okay for everyone.

On the other hand, here in Transylvania at least there are plenty of people that will pronounce it like the Hungarian 'a' (the aw sound).

To me the way Romanians pronounce this Hungarian 'a' sounds more like something closer to 'o'.
Not 'o', but something close.


Now I really want to hear the OP sound off these diftongs after our conversation :P
Is it even possible to attach mp3/wav files here?

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Re: Romanian Discussion Group

Postby Levike » 2016-05-06, 13:22

JaxJones wrote:Is it even possible to attach mp3/wav files here?

You record your voice on any site and then just post a link here.

This is one people around here seem to use: http://vocaroo.com/
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Re: Romanian Discussion Group

Postby ebonykawai » 2016-08-25, 14:24

Buna! On the first page of this thread is the following info:

"A full Romanian grammar in English (183 pages!) is available as a .pdf file at the following address:

http://seelrc.org/grammars/pdf/stand_alone_romanian.pdf"

It's not there anymore, does anyone know where the pdf grammar has gone? Thank you!

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Re: Romanian Discussion Group

Postby Xarxos » 2016-09-20, 22:58

ebonykawai wrote:Buna! On the first page of this thread is the following info:

"A full Romanian grammar in English (183 pages!) is available as a .pdf file at the following address:

http://seelrc.org/grammars/pdf/stand_alone_romanian.pdf"

It's not there anymore, does anyone know where the pdf grammar has gone? Thank you!


I don't know if it's the same, but this is a pretty good Romanian grammar PDF in English: http://www.seelrc.org:8080/grammar/pdf/ ... manian.pdf
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