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Questions about Finnish / Kysymyksiä suomen kielestä

Postby E}{pugnator » 2003-03-19, 18:25

Terve!

This is the Finnish Corner of the Virtual School of Languages. It is the place were you all who are learning it can share your knowledges, make questions to each other and hopefully count on the unilangers who are native speakers of it.
I've started the thread but I don't plan to study the language now, so I want you to go on with it. Anyone is free to reply to this message and introduce a new subject. Good luck!
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What about personal pronouns???

Postby Pittsboy » 2003-03-21, 16:44

Finnish Pronouns in the Nominative Case

Singular
1st person - minä (I)
2nd person sinä (you)
3rd person hän (he/she/it)

Plural
1st person - me (we)
2nd person - te (you)
3rd person - he (they)

This is the most basic stuff LOL

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Postby froggie » 2003-03-21, 18:08

in spoken finnish the following forms are used:

I=mä
you=sä

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Postby Peter » 2003-03-24, 7:17

Terve PolarFrog ja Pittsboy

Vallitettavasti mä en muistan paljon suomea :(

Mä luulen että suomea on "world's sexiest" kieli


I look forward to re-learning some of this beautiful language. My ex-girlfriend was Finnish, though she didn't speak it much.

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Terve kaikille

Postby Tarja » 2003-03-25, 15:36

terve. minä olen brasilialainen ja haluan oppia suomea, mutta en tiedä kuinka... Apua!
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Postby Kuitenkin » 2003-04-01, 23:23

He/she = hän
It = se
They = he (plural of 'hän'); ne (plural of 'se')


The difference between colloquial and written/correct Finnish is huge. The pronouns 'hän' and 'he' aren't practically used at all. Even verb forms change. Usually the correct system converts as:

minä + 1st sg (minä olen) --> mä + 1st sg (mä olen)
sinä + 2nd sg (sinä olet) --> sä + 2nd sg (sä olet)
hän + 3rd sg (hän on) --> se + 3rd sg (se on)
me + 1st pl (me olemme) --> me + passive! (me ollaan)
te + 2nd pl (te olette)
he + 3rd pl (he ovat) --> ne + 3rd sg (ne on)

Many verb forms become shorter, too.

olen -> oon, menen -> meen, tulen -> tuun etc.

As for the name of the language, it's suomi, not suomea (the partitive case) or suomalainen.

Suomi on maailman seksikkäin kieli. ('suomi' in the nominative case because it's the subject)
Minä puhun suomea. ('suomi' in the partitive case, required by the verb 'to speak a language')

I'll have to finish the wordlist as soon as I have time. If you have any questions, send them to me or post them here. I'll also have to post messages in Finnish. ;)
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Postby Luís » 2003-04-02, 10:26

Kuitenkin wrote:I'll have to finish the wordlist as soon as I have time.


Just as a note: He's saying that since September 2002 ;-)
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Postby darkina » 2003-04-02, 18:37

I'm not into Finnish but i've seen a Finnish film at a film festival in my city. The film was called 'Me and Morrison' and it was in original language, with simultaneous translation in Italian, and thankfully, subtitles in English (so i could do without those stupid headphones...;)). The film wasn't that good in my opinion, but if you followed the thread about dubbing/subtitles, you know how a happy event it is for me to seem soemthing not dubbed.
I noticed 2 things... 1- that the intonation seemed very 'quiet' 2- some bits of the film were spoken in english, and in those moments the subtitles where in finnish...of course i can't know how literal the translation was and how it works with finnish, but it seemed to me that a short english sentence required 3 lines of translation in finnish... :roll:

(useless piece of news isn't it?...but i noticed now we have a finnish corner and these things came to my mind...;))
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Postby ekalin » 2003-04-02, 19:15

Darkroom wrote:some bits of the film were spoken in english, and in those moments the subtitles where in finnish...of course i can't know how literal the translation was and how it works with finnish, but it seemed to me that a short english sentence required 3 lines of translation in finnish...


Interesting. Generally the opposite happens: the actors speak three lines of text, and the subtitles show a short phrase. (Which, obviously, contains only parts of what was said...)

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Postby angara » 2003-04-03, 3:31

ekalin wrote:Interesting. Generally the opposite happens: the actors speak three lines of text, and the subtitles show a short phrase. (Which, obviously, contains only parts of what was said...)


Interesting, too. Translations for subtitle must short enough not for 'reading', as you know. If it were possible that we could compare the script in finnish & english subtitle of 3 lines, it would be really interesting.

PS: i like Aki Kaurismaki's movies :wink:

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Postby geoff » 2003-05-19, 13:41

Valitettavasti nyt ei kukaan kirjoitaa jotakin... Miksei?

Unfortunately now nobody is writing anything... Why not?

Come on, Finnish-lovers, don't give up on learning this sexy language!
To get this going again I suggest to start collecting some material, especially on basic grammar. I am sure many of you already have some notes of their own they could contribute. The Finnish section in the Wiki is still practically empty, apart from a short list of expressions and a short article on spoken Finnish. And once we start adding material we will again have something to discuss about :)

Nähdään!

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Postby Kuitenkin » 2003-06-27, 15:19

I guess I could as well write a few lines about the Finnish cases. Those who have studied some Finnish are surely familiar with the dreaded 14-case system.

What I'm going to tell you about the Finnish accusative case is based entirely on my own observations. I don't really know the history of the Finnish language so I can't tell whether there has been an accusative form of each Finnish noun.

You could say that their is an accusative case in modern Finnish. Only 7 pronouns have pure accusative forms, though.

minä - minut
sinä - sinut
hän - hänet
me - meidät
te - teidät
he - heidät
kuka - kenet
'who'

So, for a verb that requires the accusative case, you pick the accusative form for these pronouns, and the genitive forms for all other nouns.

Tunnetko hänet? 'Do you know him/her?' (tuntea + accusative 'to know e.g. a person')
He kutsuivat meidätkin. 'They invited us, too.' (kutsua + accusative 'to invite someone')
Kenet tapaat tänä iltana? 'Whom do/will you meet tonight? (tavata + accusative 'to meet someone')

Tunnetko Matin(gen.)? 'Do you know Matti?'
Olen kutsunut koko perheen(gen.). 'I've invited the whole family.
Isäni osti eilen uuden auton(gen.). 'My father bought a new car yesterday.' (ostaa + akk. 'to buy something')

In a negative sentence, though, you use the partitive case, always.

Etkö tunne häntä(part.)? 'Don't you know him?'
En ole kutsunut koko perhettä(part.). 'I haven't invited the whole family.'
Isäni ei ostanut uutta autoa(part.). 'My father didn't buy a/the new car.'

Also with the pronoun se 'it', the genitive form (sen) is used. It's plural equivalent ne takes the nominative form, though.

Ostin sen(gen.). 'I bought it.'
En ostanut sitä(part.). 'I didn't buy it.'

Ostin ne(nom.). 'I bought them.'
En ostanut niitä(part.). 'I didn't buy them.'

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Postby Luís » 2003-08-01, 19:55

Anyone still alive around here? :)

I should study more finnish now :)
It's a pitty that when I met Kuitenkin I could hardly say anything in Finnish :oops:

What materials are you using? I think TY sucks really really bad and that was one of the reasons for not studying much Finnish... I do hate that book :!: :x :roll:
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Postby Luís » 2003-08-06, 13:33

Here's a brand new site with some lessons:

www.uuno.tpu.fi
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Postby Luís » 2003-08-08, 12:38

THE EQUIVALENT OF VERB TO HAVE IN FINNISH

As you might already know, Finnish has no verb 'to have'. Possession is shown by putting the word indicating who has on the adessive case (-lla/-llä) followed by verb olla (to be). Here are the positive and negative versions for the personal pronouns.

POSITIVE FORM
minulla on
sinulla on
hänellä on
meillä on
teillä on
heillä on

NEGATIVE FORM

minulla ei ole
sinulla ei ole
hänellä ei ole
meillä ei ole
teillä ei ole
heillä ei ole
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I'm alive :)

Postby Steisi » 2003-08-15, 20:43

I'm alive and ready to learn Finnish :D

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Postby Kuitenkin » 2003-08-27, 22:03

You may not believe it, but I'm alive, too. ;)

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Postby Steisi » 2003-09-14, 13:50

hehe yay :P Now to revive the others.. :?

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Postby maeng » 2003-09-15, 11:31

It's good that you are all live and kicking, but we should really get this thread going ^_^. I'll do my best to answer your questions concerning Finnish. Unfortunately I'm very lazy to follow forums so it might be easier to contact me via MSN or e-mail. 8)

Hyvä, että olette kaikki hengissä, mutta meidän pitäisi todellakin saada eloa tähän osioon ^_^. Teen parhaani vastatakseni kysymyksiinne koskien suomea. Valitettavasti olen hyvin laiska seuraamaan foorumeita, joten on ehkä helpompaa tavoittaa minut joko MSN:llä tai sähköpostilla. 8)

Have fun always. ^_^

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Postby Luís » 2003-09-15, 14:24

maennnnnnnnngiieeeeeeeeeee :!: :!: :bounce:

I didn't expect to see you here, hehehe

I'm sure he'll answer some questions, when he's sober... :roll: :drunk:
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