Additions to Unilang's Resources on Finnish

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Re: Additions to Unilang's Resources on Finnish

Postby maeng » 2010-04-21, 9:23

Naurava kulkuri wrote:I just came across Learn Finnish pronunciation in less than 10 minutes. Not bad, I think.


Well not bad, maybe you can get the gist of Finnish pronunciation, but at least some of the explanations are clearly erroneous.

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Re: Additions to Unilang's Resources on Finnish

Postby Varislintu » 2010-04-21, 15:26

maeng wrote:but at least some of the explanations are clearly erroneous.


Yeah, what is he saying about the reason for the extra l in 'laudeliina' :o? Okay, thought mistakes happen, but if you're making a Youtube video for learners, think things through :oops:.
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Re: Additions to Unilang's Resources on Finnish

Postby Naurava kulkuri » 2010-04-23, 19:22

Good points maeng and Varislintu. I was thinking about the pronunciation explanations -- to those of who understand some of English pronunciation already -- mainly and I didn't pay that much attention to anything else (and to tell the truth, I got the link elsewhere).

Hmm, yes, "laudeliina"... I claim my pronunciation has only one 'l' in there!

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Re: Additions to Unilang's Resources on Finnish

Postby Varislintu » 2010-04-23, 20:15

Naurava kulkuri wrote:Hmm, yes, "laudeliina"... I claim my pronunciation has only one 'l' in there!


But that's technically "wrong" too (but since you're native, you can't be wrong-wrong ;)). Finnish nouns ending in -e are generally affected by end gemination, i.e. the following consonant is geminated. There are other words affected by this as well, like verbs in infinitive (antaa, syödä) and adverbs with -sti (huonosti, kolmasti). Newly borrowed nouns ending in -e seem to be exempt, however, like 'google' ("guugle"), and for many people it has also diappeared from the word 'kolme'.

(This for possible learners reading this topic, not particularly aimed at you, Naurava kulkuri.)
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Re: Additions to Unilang's Resources on Finnish

Postby Naurava kulkuri » 2010-04-24, 20:16

Varislintu wrote:
Naurava kulkuri wrote:Hmm, yes, "laudeliina"... I claim my pronunciation has only one 'l' in there!


But that's technically "wrong" too (but since you're native, you can't be wrong-wrong ;)). [...]
(This for possible learners reading this topic, not particularly aimed at you, Naurava kulkuri.)
Sometimes I've been thinking this. I've lived my whole life in Tavastia, but my home dialect is Karelian. I'm aware I speak somewhat differently not only because of the words and idioms themselves, but because of the note of my speech. It's not distintively Karelian ("singing"), but it doesn't sound Tavastian (I think more "monotonic") either.

Perhaps on issue here is that according to my observation, the pace of speech of those from Karelia is (much) faster and when veering closer to the standard language, one tend to drop letters like the 'l' in laude(l)liina. Though it could be that because of my very limited sample domain this doesn't hold water. :)

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Re: Additions to Unilang's Resources on Finnish

Postby Varislintu » 2010-04-24, 20:50

Naurava kulkuri wrote:Sometimes I've been thinking this. I've lived my whole life in Tavastia, but my home dialect is Karelian. I'm aware I speak somewhat differently not only because of the words and idioms themselves, but because of the note of my speech. It's not distintively Karelian ("singing"), but it doesn't sound Tavastian (I think more "monotonic") either.

Perhaps on issue here is that according to my observation, the pace of speech of those from Karelia is (much) faster and when veering closer to the standard language, one tend to drop letters like the 'l' in laude(l)liina. Though it could be that because of my very limited sample domain this doesn't hold water. :)

I know shamefully little about Finnish (or Karelian) dialects, or what developed from what, but since Estonian for example has not got the end gemination I guess it must be quite possible that some Finnish dialects don't either.
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Re: Additions to Unilang's Resources on Finnish

Postby Naurava kulkuri » 2010-04-25, 5:18

Varislintu wrote:I know shamefully little about Finnish (or Karelian) dialects, or what developed from what, but since Estonian for example has not got the end gemination I guess it must be quite possible that some Finnish dialects don't either.
My wife says I have it there, though not that audible since it's so short. If it weren't there, it would sound like two separate words or a set phrase, or an Italian speaking Finnish, but it does not. :) I guess I have to rely on her judgement, she's the one working with languages and stuff (and she's studied vocology etc.). :-P

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Re: Additions to Unilang's Resources on Finnish

Postby Miumau » 2010-05-07, 21:30

Varislintu wrote:I know shamefully little about Finnish (or Karelian) dialects, or what developed from what, but since Estonian for example has not got the end gemination I guess it must be quite possible that some Finnish dialects don't either.


Yeah, the South-Western Finnish dialects (lounaismurteet) - for example the ones spoken in Turku, Pori and Rauma - don't have the end gemination. For me, that is one of the things that sound the funniest in those dialects... ;) Also one of the most distinct traits. For example, they really do pronounce hernekeitto as hernekeitto, not hernekkeitto :roll: :lol:

These dialects have been affected by Estonian, and apparently also have many other things in common with it.

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Re: Additions to Unilang's Resources on Finnish

Postby Varislintu » 2010-05-07, 21:46

Miumau wrote:Yeah, the South-Western Finnish dialects (lounaismurteet) - for example the ones spoken in Turku


Oh, Turku :o? Wow, shows that I've mixed pretty exclusively with Swedish speakers during the months I've lived in Turku so far, as I hadn't realised that :blush:. Interesting :)!
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