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Kuitenkin wrote:
Hienoa. Muutama pieni korjaus vain.
[ŋ]-äännehän esiintyy kahdessa tapauksessa:
-nk- ääntyy [ŋk] - esim. lanka ['laŋka]
-ng- ääntyy [ŋ:] (eli pitkä [ŋ]) - esim. langat ['laŋ:at]
Kannattaa varmaankin mainita myös, että sanapaino on aina ensimmäisellä tavulla.
Niin ja löytyy ei itse asiassa tarkoita 'finds' vaan 'is found'. ('Finds' olisi tietysti löytää.)
Serpent wrote:mä lausun sitä saksaksi noin samalla tavalla kuin englanniksiÄ /æ/
Cat. Never said like German ä!
Kuitenkin wrote:
Hienoa. Muutama pieni korjaus vain.
[ŋ]-äännehän esiintyy kahdessa tapauksessa:
-nk- ääntyy [ŋk] - esim. lanka ['laŋka]
-ng- ääntyy [ŋ:] (eli pitkä [ŋ]) - esim. langat ['laŋ:at]
Kannattaa varmaankin mainita myös, että sanapaino on aina ensimmäisellä tavulla.
Niin ja löytyy ei itse asiassa tarkoita 'finds' vaan 'is found'. ('Finds' olisi tietysti löytää.)
Latis wrote:I added some examples in the Finnish Alphebet section on the wiki to what it would sound like to a english person, along with IPA and the positions of the mouth in the notes section. Tomorrow I plan on adding more cases. So far I only see Partitive...lot more cases to go
Latis wrote:Yeah, I don't know about the examples though. It's kinda slanted for an American-accent based pronunciation. I also wanted to add a section of what English-speakers might have trouble with (h, t, d, p, r, ö), but I left it out because I thought it would be English-biased again. I don't know :S
Latis wrote:What I'm worried about is adding more cases to the wiki...it will have to change the structure of the Finnish cases page. I wikipedia'd the cases to make sure I got them all, and it has a nifty little chart. Perhaps we should make one like it? And each case has its own page? I don't know.
Latis wrote:kiitos
EDIT: First problem is naming the new pages. Nominative will link to a general nominative case instead of the planned-finnish one. Should we instead link for nominatiivi and hope it doesn't interfere with an Estonian-based nominative page?
I'm new to editing wikipedia articles and don't know how to get by that :S
Stacy wrote:Erm.. I made a Finnish pronunciation resource ages ago, and it already has the IPA in it It's linked in these resources.
Here it is again:
http://static.unilang.org/resources/pronscript/finnishpron.php
Why not just add that to the wiki?
geoff wrote:Latis wrote:kiitos
EDIT: First problem is naming the new pages. Nominative will link to a general nominative case instead of the planned-finnish one. Should we instead link for nominatiivi and hope it doesn't interfere with an Estonian-based nominative page?
I'm new to editing wikipedia articles and don't know how to get by that :S
All pages in the wiki concerning a specific language should be prefixed with the language name, e.g.:
[[Finnish grammar: partitive]]
If you are new to editing wiki pages take a look at the help pages, you should find all the info you need there.
I do find it worth mentioning, of course, but not in the main cases list. Somehow in the way you described, like placing it under the title "Rare cases" or something like that. By the way, exessive is not even mentioned in the Finnish Wikipedia article about Finnish and in many other lists I managed to dig up.Latis wrote:A lot of people have taken both sides of the issue. Some want to exclude it and not even mention it as a case, some prefer to leave it in (I think most linguist prefer the latter).
Maybe the exessive should be done last with a mention of "Not used too much" or something.
My point exactly. It may confuse things even more, on top of all the other tricky things in our languageVarislintu wrote:As learning material, the case is next to useless to mention.
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