Hoogstwaarschijnlijk wrote:Yes, I was just saying that it wouldn't necessarily be illegal, I think it's very unlikely that schools would pay for uniforms as well. Though for a few years schools paid for the books here, so who knows.
If schools didn't pay for the books here, that would be illegal too. Books are necessary however, but school uniforms aren't.
And I'm talking about primary and secondary education, here. Once you move beyond that, there's student loan and benefits that are supposed to cover everything from rent, insurance, power, internet, TV to travels to and from your place of study and books and whatnot.
Lada wrote:Johanna wrote:While in the Russian case, if someone would argue that uniforms make violent groups a lot less visible, that's definitely something solid, and in my book a pretty good argument.
Violent groups are disease of big cities mainly and I doubt that uniform was revived because of that. Solid argument is saving country secular. Some regions are totally muslim where girls wear scarfs. The state doesn't want such things happen in public. There was a scandal when girls were forbidden to wear scarfs and their mothers started to give interviews blaming school administration in violation their rights and Russian constitution. So uniform seems to be an answer.
Why are headscarves such a bad thing? Sure, if girls who don't want to wear one are forced to, it's very bad, but it's also equally bad if girls who
do want to wear one are forbidden to. Also, it's (mostly) men from the majority society (in this case Russian) and (mostly) men from the minority society (in this case Muslim minorities) using those who have no say in the matter at all to prove their point
Russian authorities: No headscarf!
Muslim elders in the village: Headscarf or you're seen as a dishonourable woman!
So, pray tell, how would a Muslim girl from such a village please both the local elders and the Russian authorities?
The Russian Federation is an empire, it's probably the epitome of the word "empire" even, if you look at how many ethnic groups it encompasses both today and hostoraically. And as such it contains more ethnicities than any other country on Earth, and those ethnicities have all of those different beliefs, from Shamanism to Abrahamic religions.
Anyway, the word "secularism" doesn't mean "get rid of religion in the public sphere altogether", it means "don't ever base laws on religious teachings unless they happen to coincide with human rights.
Aslo, AFAIK, in Russia, the Orthodox Church is very powerful, so the country isn't really secular, and the secularism thing is only ever brought up when it comes to other faiths and churches. I do hope I am wrong, but from what I've seen, I don't think I am