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Re: Belarusian (Беларуская)

Postby dorenda » 2009-06-10, 22:32

voron wrote:Цыц, толькі мне дазволена кпіць з нашага менталітэту :)
Ці цытаваць гімн - гэта кпіць? :P
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Re: Belarusian (Беларуская)

Postby dorenda » 2010-05-05, 11:13

Што значыць слова "Купалінка"? Ці гэта помяншальная форма ад слова "Купалле"?
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Re: Belarusian (Беларуская)

Postby SkyWind » 2010-06-10, 18:27

Купалінка-беларуская народная песня,якую звычайна спявалі на Купалле(у ноч з 6 на 7 ліпеня).
Kupalinka is a belarusian folk song,which was sung originally in Kupalle( night from 6 till 7 July).
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Re: Belarusian (Беларуская)

Postby dorenda » 2010-06-11, 22:50

SkyWind wrote:Купалінка-беларуская народная песня,якую звычайна спявалі на Купалле(у ноч з 6 на 7 ліпеня).
Так, ведаю, што гэта песня, адтуль і ведаю гэта слова.

Купалінка, купалінка, цёмная ночка, цёмная нооочка, а дзе ж твая дочка? :whistle:

Або ты меў на ўвазе, што любая народная песня, якую спяваюць на Купалле - гэта купалінка?
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Re: Belarusian (Беларуская)

Postby SkyWind » 2010-06-12, 16:56

Слова купалінка з вельмі вядомай ( калі яе ведаюць нават у Нідэрляндах :shock:) песні-гэта вянок,які дзяўчыны плялі на Купалле і пускалі плыць па рацэ.
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Re: Belarusian (Беларуская)

Postby dorenda » 2010-06-12, 17:22

Значыць, купалінка - вянок? Вялікі дзякуй. :)
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Re: Belarusian (Беларуская)

Postby rusynkt » 2010-07-27, 9:58

Вучыць беларускую мову дужа цікава! Дзякуй! :)
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Re: Belarusian (Беларуская)

Postby SkyWind » 2010-07-28, 14:31

Няма за што :) Працягвайце пытацца,і я паспрабую адказаць на вашы пытанні :D
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Re: Belarusian (Беларуская)

Postby Brus » 2010-08-03, 2:35

Does anyone know if the famous gymnast Olga Korbut spoke Belarusian growing up? Or just Russian?

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Re: Belarusian (Беларуская)

Postby pittmirg » 2010-09-09, 13:42

Out of curiosity, can things like a stressed dative plural termination -ом, supposedly present in the older Belarusian standard, be still encountered in contemporary spoken language? Also, самым vs самім, двох vs двух, аднэй vs адной.
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Re: Belarusian (Беларуская)

Postby myun888 » 2011-01-05, 3:20

Wikipedia lists a few Belarusian variations for the spelling of the name Dmitry.

Two of the spellings are listed as Дзьмітры (Dz'mitry) and Дзмітрый (Dzmitry).

Although quite similar is there a regional or social reason for the different spellings?

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Re: Belarusian (Беларуская)

Postby SkyWind » 2011-03-23, 15:30

myun888 wrote:Wikipedia lists a few Belarusian variations for the spelling of the name Dmitry.

Two of the spellings are listed as Дзьмітры (Dz'mitry) and Дзмітрый (Dzmitry).

Although quite similar is there a regional or social reason for the different spellings?

The first variant is so-called Tarashkevica which isn't used anymore(at least officially :) ) The second one is the variant used in today's normative belarusian spelling.Tarashkevica is actually used by some Belarusian language fans because it really denotes belarusian words as they are pronounced and doesn't refer to so-called ''assimilational softness'' as they call it in today's belarusian spelling. :) So there aren't any social or regional deferences it's just a matter of spelling.Explanation is a little clumsy( :oops: ) so I hope you understood something. Don't hesitate to ask me further questions. :)
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Re: Belarusian (Беларуская)

Postby myun888 » 2011-04-15, 17:38

SkyWind wrote:
myun888 wrote:Wikipedia lists a few Belarusian variations for the spelling of the name Dmitry.

Two of the spellings are listed as Дзьмітры (Dz'mitry) and Дзмітрый (Dzmitry).

Although quite similar is there a regional or social reason for the different spellings?

The first variant is so-called Tarashkevica which isn't used anymore(at least officially :) ) The second one is the variant used in today's normative belarusian spelling.Tarashkevica is actually used by some Belarusian language fans because it really denotes belarusian words as they are pronounced and doesn't refer to so-called ''assimilational softness'' as they call it in today's belarusian spelling. :) So there aren't any social or regional deferences it's just a matter of spelling.Explanation is a little clumsy( :oops: ) so I hope you understood something. Don't hesitate to ask me further questions. :)


Thank you for taking the time to reply and the great explanation!

It seems like an individual preference just like in countries such as England, Canada and America where a person can have different spellings for the same name like Stephen or Steven, John or Jon, Eric or Erik, etc.

One other question please. I also found the name Dzmitry used as a surname: Dzmitryeu. Some online translations convert this surname to Dmitriev. Is Dzmitryeu considered a genuine Belarusian surname on its own or is it simply the Belarusian spelling for a Russian surname?

Thanks again!

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Re: Belarusian (Беларуская)

Postby SkyWind » 2011-04-16, 7:37

myun888 wrote:It seems like an individual preference just like in countries such as England, Canada and America where a person can have different spellings for the same name like Stephen or Steven, John or Jon, Eric or Erik, etc.

Yes,it's an individual preference but unfortunately Дзмітрый is more widely used nowadays because of the Belarusian government's policy towards the language.
myun888 wrote:One other question please. I also found the name Dzmitry used as a surname: Dzmitryeu. Some online translations convert this surname to Dmitriev. Is Dzmitryeu considered a genuine Belarusian surname on its own or is it simply the Belarusian spelling for a Russian surname?

You know,all Belarusian surnames as we have them today were created by the Russian government in the early 18th century.Genuine Belarusian surnames are birds' and animals's names for instance Чайка(Seagull), Мядзведзь(Bear) etc.Thus Dzmitryeu is simply the Belarusian spelling of a Russian surname though many Belarusians have such a family.
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Postby voron » 2011-04-16, 9:08

Here is what I wrote about Belarusian surnames in this topic 3 years ago:
voron wrote:As for your surname, those ending in -ов (-оў, -аў in Belarusian spelling) are not most typical here (15-20% maybe?) and generally considered to be of Russian origin. Original Belarusian surnames are known to end in:
-іч, -віч - for noble families
-онак, -ёнак, -чык, -ік, -ык, -ук, -юк - son of
-еня, -эня
-цкі, -скі
and miscellaneous coming from names of animals, trees, household objects etc.

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Re: Belarusian (Беларуская)

Postby silmeth » 2011-04-16, 9:45

Aren't those in -cki, -ski considered of noble origin too?
polszczyzna jest moją mową ojczystą (pl)foghlaimeoir na Gaelainne Mumhan ’s ea mé (ga)mám, myslím, dobrou znalost češtiny, rozumím a něco mluvím (cs)

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Re: Belarusian (Беларуская)

Postby voron » 2011-04-16, 10:01

silmeth wrote:Aren't those in -cki, -ski considered of noble origin too?

I don't know :) Perhaps you know better since they are shared with Polish ones.

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Re: Belarusian (Беларуская)

Postby silmeth » 2011-04-16, 10:36

From the song "Rycarstva ŭsio syšłosia" from the Stary Olsa band (it's translation from 16th century Polish text, but author was Lithuanian (so, actually, Belarusian) and he wrote about the Grand Duchy).

Palehli słaŭny rycary, Ziankievič dy Cichinski,
Byŭ ža jašče zabity tam rycar Jan Tyminski

And most of Polish szlachta's surnames are on -ski, -cki. I think szlachta in the Crown at the beginning took surnames on -cki/-ski and in the Grand Duchy on -ič, -vič, and then it mixed. In Poland both are present, too.

Heh, I wanted to write this post in Belarusian first, but I failed :P.
polszczyzna jest moją mową ojczystą (pl)foghlaimeoir na Gaelainne Mumhan ’s ea mé (ga)mám, myslím, dobrou znalost češtiny, rozumím a něco mluvím (cs)

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Re: Belarusian (Беларуская)

Postby myun888 » 2011-04-20, 23:05

SkyWind wrote:
myun888 wrote:It seems like an individual preference just like in countries such as England, Canada and America where a person can have different spellings for the same name like Stephen or Steven, John or Jon, Eric or Erik, etc.

Yes,it's an individual preference but unfortunately Дзмітрый is more widely used nowadays because of the Belarusian government's policy towards the language.
myun888 wrote:One other question please. I also found the name Dzmitry used as a surname: Dzmitryeu. Some online translations convert this surname to Dmitriev. Is Dzmitryeu considered a genuine Belarusian surname on its own or is it simply the Belarusian spelling for a Russian surname?

You know,all Belarusian surnames as we have them today were created by the Russian government in the early 18th century.Genuine Belarusian surnames are birds' and animals's names for instance Чайка(Seagull), Мядзведзь(Bear) etc.Thus Dzmitryeu is simply the Belarusian spelling of a Russian surname though many Belarusians have such a family.


Thank you very much for the really thorough explanation. I've learned a lot from you! Very interesting!

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Re: Belarusian (Беларуская)

Postby TheStrayCat » 2011-05-18, 19:48

А ці не пара вам зрабіць запыт на стварэнне асобнага форуму? Дзіўна бачыць малавядомыя рэгіянальныя мовы з значна меншай колькасцю носьбітаў у спісе, а дзяржаўную - не.
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