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Kashmiri

Postby Bijlee » 2013-05-01, 23:29

Is there no topic for Kashmiri yet? Shame!
I've been lusting for it for a while. I found some pdfs and what not for it, so maybe I'll do some dabbling.

Here are a couple resources:
http://www.koshur.org/courses.html (This website is very helpful)
http://www.iils.org/pdf/ModernKashmiriGrammar.pdf

Some songs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG7BKEahuls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ1XGCyd3Fo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ8Mzw7-2ek
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYwJj_VNpG4

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Re: Kashmiri

Postby Meera » 2013-05-02, 16:12

I don't think there is a topic for Kashmiri yet. I love Kashmiri, it's such a beautiful language! And Kashmir itself is also so beautiful!!
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Re: Kashmiri

Postby księżycowy » 2013-05-02, 18:38

I remember finding the first link a long time ago. I never really gave Kashmiri a go at the time, but it's an interesting language.

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Re: Kashmiri

Postby Limagne » 2013-05-02, 20:21

The Dardic languages are truely awesome.

I have a soft spot for Kashmiri and Khowar 8-)

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Re: Kashmiri

Postby vijayjohn » 2013-12-07, 5:18

Seven-month bump, just because it's cold and cold weather reminds me of Kashmiri! :lol:

Here are a few more songs (I have even more of them up my sleeve :P). One is "Wathu laalo nindre," a poem by the female 16th-century poet Habba Khatoon. This rendition of that poem is one of my favorite Indian songs (probably like the fourth Kashmiri song I'd ever heard), and in fact, I've posted it before in the songs thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSa0vcxyFjw

The one I heard after that was "Maharaza Ho," a Kashmiri version of "Vash Malle" from the Bollywood movie Henna (1991). "Maahaaraazaa" in Kashmiri means 'bridegroom'; the word for 'bride' is "maahaaraanee." (All the vowels in both words are long :lol:). This isn't exactly the highest-quality video I've seen, but I kind of like it anyway:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzRhdlNVoY4

That channel has some other Kashmiri versions of Bollywood songs, including "Rab Ko Yaad Karoon" from Khuda Gawah :mrgreen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtT2pf5Ciho

as well as some Kashmiri songs, like "Sweetie Sweetie Drai Duty," a humorous song that apparently has become a kind of Kashmiri cult classic(!):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khGxodBl-VU

It also has a few short comedy skits in Kashmiri such as this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LPe3IK09Fs

And this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V4j4YzH5Y0

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Re: Kashmiri

Postby vijayjohn » 2013-12-08, 7:23

The first song listed here as "Ha AshkI Tchhooro, RashkI Kerthas" is a Kashmiri song ("ashq"/"ashkI" -> a love song?) as sung by Asha Bhosle.

This is the same song as sung (more recently) by a Kashmiri singer named Shazia. It sounds like a better quality recording :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCll_QHyr_w

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Re: Kashmiri

Postby Meera » 2013-12-10, 23:24

http://www.lmp.ucla.edu/Profile.aspx?La ... 8&menu=004
(Just kind of gives an overview about Kashmiri.)

http://koausa.org/index.html
(A news site in Kashmiri)

http://www.kashmirilanguage.com/
(This has songs, books and other things in Kashmiri.)
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Re: Kashmiri

Postby vijayjohn » 2013-12-14, 5:09

Meera wrote:http://koausa.org/index.html
(A news site in Kashmiri)

Are you sure that's what it is? I couldn't find any Kashmiri anywhere on that site. :?

But anyway, another Kashmiri song, which I think is really called "Laalas wantai chhu sawaal," with an introduction in Hindi/Urdu:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cmC_aKaFlc

I think I actually like Asha Bhosle's version better in this particular case. :P

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Re: Kashmiri

Postby vijayjohn » 2013-12-30, 16:56

"Nukte rasai jamaalas lagai" and "Traav raavun ravaan chha," two songs by Ghulam Mohd. Sheikh that I was listening to last night:

http://music.raag.fm/Kashmiri/songs-129 ... hd._Sheikh

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Re: Kashmiri

Postby vijayjohn » 2013-12-31, 5:10

"Walo myaani poshe madano" is another poem by Habba Khatoon. I managed to find a PDF of the entire text of this poem and six others in Devanagari as used for Kashmiri (and one of them is also available in a Romanized version!). I've included a video of this song plus the lyrics in Devanagari as they're sung in the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pvmJkwsl3M

दिल निथ रॅटिथम गोशे। (२)
वलो म्यानि पोशे मदनो॥ (२)
दिल निथ रॅटिथम गोशे। (२)
वलो म्यानि पोशे मदनो॥ (२)

वलो म्यानि पोशे मदनो॥ (२)

वलॖ वॆस्य् गछ़वय हंदे
लान्युन न्याय कति अंदे। (वलॖ...)
लान्युन न्याय कति अंदे।
लुकॖ मॅत्य् कॅडनस रंदे (२)
वलो म्यानि पोशे मदनो॥ (२)

दिल निथ रॅटिथम गोशे। (२)
वलो म्यानि पोशे मदनो॥ (२)

वलॖ वॆस्य् गछ़वय वन तय
लूकव बॅर्यहस कन तय। (वलॖ...)
लूकव बॅर्यहस कन तय।
ती बूज़ तॅम्य् सादन तय (२)
वलो म्यानि पोशे मदनो॥ (२)

दिल निथ रॅटिथम गोशे। (२)
वलो म्यानि पोशे मदनो॥ (२)

वलो म्यानि पोशे मदनो॥ (२)

वलॖ अज़ दॖय त्राव म्याॅनी
छम मनॖ कामन चाॅनी। (वलॖ...)
छम मनॖ कामन चाॅनी।
आॅखॖर छु दुनिया फाॅनी (२)
वलो म्यानि पोशे मदनो॥ (२)

दिल निथ रॅटिथम गोशे। (२)
वलो म्यानि पोशे मदनो॥ (२)
दिल निथ रॅटिथम गोशे। (२)
वलो म्यानि पोशे मदनो॥ (५)

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Re: Kashmiri

Postby vijayjohn » 2014-01-03, 7:15

Here are two videos, along with the text (in Devanagari), of the second Habba Khatoon poem I found the text for. This poem is called "Gaah Chon Pyawaan."

The first video here is from Habba Khatoon, a Kashmiri movie from 1975 directed by Bashir Budgami. All of the songs were sung by Shameema Azad. See here for more information on the movie and Habba Khatoon herself. The whole movie is available online as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI7WOrM1rOQ

Here's the part of the poem that is relevant for most of the above video and all of the following one:

गाह चोन प्यवान गटि। अकि लटि यिहम ना॥

यावन म्यानि किरमिज़ पाक्कम्यू वानॖ रंगनय आख।
मॆ नो ज़ोन ऑथॖर च़टि, अकि लटि यिहम ना॥

आबस बॊ वॅछ़ॖस गटि, नॊट मॊठुमो यारॖबल।
विज़रॖ वावॖ नॊट मा फटि, अकि लटि यिहम ना॥

याण्ज यॆलि यारज़ च़टि, मॊहबत नॖ रोज़ान सोर।
यारॖ दादि वॉलिंज फटि, अकि लटि यिहम ना॥

And finally, here's another rendition of this poem by Mehmeet Syed. This is the same lady who sang the first Kashmiri song I posted here, i.e. "Wathu Laalo Nindre" (which is also by Habba Khatoon):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rs-5hdid1M

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Re: Kashmiri

Postby vijayjohn » 2014-01-27, 5:14

OK, I guess I managed to find two videos for each of the poems by Habba Khatoon I know of! (Well, for almost all of them, anyway). In all cases, the first video is from the old movie about her, and the second is another version by Mehmeet Syed. :P

This is the third song, "Kãasi mo raavun shoore paan." Again, I've included the lyrics (in Devanagari, as always) that appear in both songs, and once again, Mehmeet's version includes the second stanza, but the movie version doesn't. So here's the movie version from 1975:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9eM9ShnWFw

And the relevant lyrics for these two videos are as follows:

तुलुव नार छुम ललॖवुन मूरे।
काँसी मो रॉविन शूरे पान॥

मॉल्य् माजि रॅछनस कंदॖ कॊस्तूरे
द्वदॖ सॗत्य् ऑसिम तन नावान।
सुय पान लॊगमाह रह मुसाफूरे
काँसी मो रॉविन शूरे पान॥

मॉल्य् माजि त्रॉवनस सबकस दूरे
औखॖनन वॊलनम मूरे पान।
आरॖ रॊस्य् तुलिनम नारॖ तयम्बूरे
काँसी मो रॉविन शूरे पान॥

मॉल्य् माजि वॊनुनम ड्यकॖ बॅड कूरे
वॉरिन आंगनॖ छिय प्रारान।
रंगॖ डोलि आसम र्वपॖ कॊंदूरे
काँसी मो रॉविन शूरे पान॥

And finally, here's Mehmeet's version of the same song! I think this version is kind of cuter :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkRhGfGQ3d8

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Re: Kashmiri

Postby vijayjohn » 2014-02-11, 7:26

The next song is "Maalinyo ho." Both the movie version of this song and Mahmeet Syed's version use the exact same lines from the original poem. This is the version from the movie, followed by the lyrics (in Devanagari, as always) used in both versions and then Mahmeet's version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd8l4hStRWw

वॉरिव्यन सॗत्य वारॖ छस नो।
चारॖ कर म्योन मालिन्यो हो॥

गरि बॖ द्रायस आबॖ नॅटिस
नॊट मॆ फुटमो मालिन्यो हो।
या तॖ दीतव नटि नॊटाह
नतॖ नटिचे हारॖ मालिन्यो॥

शुर्य पानस सिंदॖर गॅयिमो
वुडॖर खसुन कुडुर प्योम।
कतॖर छ़ारान कतॖर सॅनिमो
वॆतरि नून प्योम मालिन्यो हो॥

हशि लॉयिनम टॅपिसॖय थफ
सुय मॆ गोमो मोतॖ खॊतॖ सख।
यँदरॖ पचि प्यठ नॆंदॖर पॆयिमो
च़षॖर फुटमो मालिन्यो हो॥

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVNCUmRNVZI

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Re: Kashmiri

Postby vijayjohn » 2014-02-25, 19:58

Next is "Chhaav myaani daanay posh." I actually can't find a YouTube clip for this particular song from the movie for which the title indicates that it's this song in particular, but this clip from the movie actually is of that song. (Give yourself a pot of buttermilk if that sentence made sense to you! :lol:). Below is the movie clip, followed by Mahmeet Syed's version and, in between those two, the parts of the poem used in either the movie or Mahmeet's version (written out in Devanagari as usual):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtaBJbvpx40

मॆ कॅर्य च़ॆय कित्य् पोशि दसवानय।
छाव म्यॉन्य् दॉनय पोश॥

बऺँ सय ज़ॅमीन, च़ऺुँख असमानय
सीरस छुख सरपोश।
बऺ छसय न्यामथ, च़ऺ छुख मॆज़मानय
छाव म्यॉन्य् दॉनय पोश॥

लॉले गटि मंज़ च़ोंग ज़ाजानय
बाले रूदुस नऺ होश।
च़ऺ छुहम शमा, बऺ छस परवानय
छाव म्यॉन्य् दॉनय पोश॥

रछ़ि रछ़ि र्यतऺकोल छुम सोरानय
बरऺ मा गछ़न अछि पोश।
कुनि हितऺ बुलबुलऺ यितऺ अकि आनय
छाव म्यॉन्य् दॉनय पोश॥

रंगऺ रंगऺ थुर्य अम्य् क्रालन बानय
ब्यॊन ब्यॊन कॊरनख नकूश।
केंह द्रायि हॅल्य् कॅल्य्, केंह जानानय
छाव म्यॉन्य् दॉनय पोश॥

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY8iqY3byF4

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Re: Kashmiri

Postby vijayjohn » 2015-01-24, 19:56

"Tsi' kyawho zi' gayi myaani di'y" is the next song. For this song, I have access to (some variation of) the lyrics not only in Devanagari but also in IPA! A slightly different version of the lyrics in IPA may be found here with a translation into English. However, the Devanagari version is much closer to the lyrics in these two videos. As usual, the first is from the movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_kcDOsIeC8
The lyrics are:

च़ॖ कम्यू स्वनि मयानि ब्रम दिथ न्यूनखो
च़ॆ क्यॊहो गॅयी म्यॉन्य् दॖय।
च़ख त्राव दॖय मलालॖॖ व्वंदॖ छुय ना यिवान
च़ॆ क्यॊहो गॅयी म्यॉन्य् दॖय॥

न्यस्फ रातन बर वॅथ्य् त्राॅविमय
साथा यिख ना च़ॖय।
फेरॖ छुनॖ केंह ति फेर छुख पावान
च़ॆ क्यॊहो गॅयी म्यॉन्य् दॖय॥

मदन वारो बदन ज़ोलथम
गॊछ़ॖहम मॆ आदन च़ॖय।
बादाम चॆश्मव खून छसया हारान
च़ॆ क्यॊहो गॅयी म्यॉन्य् दॖय॥

शरावुन शीन ज़न बॖ गलान आयस
बागस फॊजिस बॖ ही।
चोनुय बाग तय च़ॖय वलो छावान
च़ॆ क्यॊहो गॅयी म्यॉन्य् दॖय॥

Plus one more stanza that isn't there in Mahmeet's version:

ज़्वलॖ छम ना यिवान मवलॖ छुख वालान
गम छुम वॉलिंजि सुय।
ज़ांह छुख नॖ दॊदमुत सीनॖ शॆहलावान
च़ॆ क्यॊहो गॅयी म्यॉन्य् दॖय॥

And here is that version! :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PignJdzMubE

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Re: Kashmiri

Postby vijayjohn » 2016-01-04, 8:20

And finally, here's one last poem by Habba Khatoon called "Poshe Mati Jaanaano"! There are at least a few different renditions of it. Here's one that's sung in a style that's pretty different from most of the songs I've posted here but also relatively faithful to the lyrics of this particular poem, sung and played on a guitar by Nissar Dar (I've included the lyrics in Devanagari below the video as I found them online. For the purposes of this post, at least, the lyrics as written are not necessarily identical to the ones sung in the videos they correspond to):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8Wv73WVE9o
च़ॊलॖहमा रोशे रोशे। पोशे मति जानानो॥

वुछमखा दूरे दूरे, सनॖ गोम स्वर्गॖचि हूरे।
ड़स वदान चू़रे चू़रे, पोशे मति जानानो॥

बालॖ प्यठॖ लायै नादो, पथ फेर हा शहज़ादो।
मो च़ल, ग्वडॖ पाल वादो, पोशे मति जानानो॥

च़ॊलॖहमा रोशे रोशे। पोशे मति जानानो॥
पोशे मति जानानो॥

More commonly, just the first half-line of this song is sung...followed by lyrics from the first Habba Khatoon poem I posted here, "Dil Nith"! So this last song is tied in nicely with the first song. :D Here's Mahmeet Syed singing that with the lyrics in Devanagari below the video again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikT_5dbEyAY
च़ॊलॖहमा रोशे रोशे। वलो म्यानि पोशे मदनो॥ (२)
च़ॊलॖहमा...

वलॖ वॆस्य् गछ़वय आबस
दुनिया छु नॆंदरि तॖ खाबस।
प्रारान छसयो जवाबस
वलो म्यानि पोशे मदनो॥

च़ॊलॖहमा रोशे रोशे। वलो म्यानि पोशे मदनो॥
च़ॊलॖहमा...

वलॖ वॆस्य् गछ़वय बबरे
छ्वख मॆ लोयिनम तबरे।
कांछा़ सूज़नम नॖ खबरे
वलो म्यानि पोशे मदनो॥

च़ॊलॖहमा रोशे रोशे। वलो म्यानि पोशे मदनो॥
च़ॊलॖहमा...

वलॖ वॆस्य् गछ़वय वन तय
लूकव बॅर्यहस कन तय।
ती बूज़ तॅम्य् सादन तय
वलो म्यानि पोशे मदनो॥

च़ॊलॖहमा रोशे रोशे। वलो म्यानि पोशे मदनो॥ (२)
च़ॊलॖहमा...
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Reason: Last "tsolhama...valo myaani" is repeated twice :P

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Re: Kashmiri

Postby Meera » 2016-06-13, 16:16

I love Kashmiri music so much. And I love reading the Devanagari along with it. :mrgreen:

By the way Vijay are you using a Kashmiri font because some of the letters are coming up as boxes?
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Re: Kashmiri

Postby vijayjohn » 2016-06-13, 16:26

Well, not really. What I do is to use Google Input Tools for Hindi (you probably know what I'm talking about already, but I included a link just to make sure it was clear :D), but since Kashmiri has a lot of sounds (mainly vowels) that Hindi doesn't have, there are other symbols that are used for writing Kashmiri in Devanagari script but aren't used in Hindi. Those symbols are the ones that probably aren't displaying correctly. (I find that some symbols display better in Chrome than on Firefox and others are the other way around :ohwell:).

So to add those special symbols, I click on "special characters," then a small window pops up and I click on "Symbol" and then "South Asian Scripts," and then next to that, I click on where it says "Bengali" (which is the script they show you by default since Bengali starts with B :lol:) and click on "Devanagari" instead, and finally, I go through the list of symbols and click on whichever one I need. :)

Sorry, it's kind of a complicated explanation. :lol: Hope it makes some sense, though! :)

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Re: Kashmiri

Postby Meera » 2016-06-13, 16:28

vijayjohn wrote:Well, not really. What I do is to use Google Input Tools for Hindi (you probably know what I'm talking about already, but I included a link just to make sure it was clear :D), but since Kashmiri has a lot of sounds (mainly vowels) that Hindi doesn't have, there are other symbols that are used for writing Kashmiri in Devanagari script but aren't used in Hindi. Those symbols are the ones that probably aren't displaying correctly. (I find that some symbols display better in Chrome than on Firefox and others are the other way around :ohwell:).

So to add those special symbols, I click on "special characters," then a small window pops up and I click on "Symbol" and then "South Asian Scripts," and then next to that, I click on where it says "Bengali" (which is the script they show you by default since Bengali starts with B :lol:) and click on "Devanagari" instead, and finally, I go through the list of symbols and click on whichever one I need. :)

Sorry, it's kind of a complicated explanation. :lol: Hope it makes some sense, though! :)


Yes I am using Google input as well :P Thanks for explaining I will try to add the characters :)
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Re: Kashmiri

Postby vijayjohn » 2016-06-13, 16:38

Oh, no problem, and I'm glad you like the songs and the lyrics in Devanagari script! But if you just want to see the lyrics without all the boxes, I pretty much just got them from here. (That page has the full poems, whereas these songs just include part of the lyrics from each poem, like in ghazals and such). :)


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