Easy Word Translation please

[mdickers85]

I need two things translated please...

Hawaiian to English
Na Koa Lani

English to Hawaiian
God's Warrior

Thanks

[Aleco]

I need two things translated please...

Hawaiian to English
Na Koa Lani

The brave royals/aristocrats I believe.

English to Hawaiian
God's Warrior

Never learned genitive case

[Nero]

Genitive expression in hawaiian is like this, I think:

Ka ____ o ka _____

similar to english's "The ____ of the ____"

Perhaps: "Ka koa o ka Akua" ?

[Aleco]

Genitive expression in hawaiian is like this, I think:

Ka ____ o ka _____

similar to english's "The ____ of the ____"

Perhaps: "Ka koa o ka Akua" ?

Thanks, Nero It isn't "ke" infront of "a"?

[Nero]

Genitive expression in hawaiian is like this, I think:

Ka ____ o ka _____

similar to english's "The ____ of the ____"

Perhaps: "Ka koa o ka Akua" ?

Thanks, Nero It isn't "ke" infront of "a"?

OH RIGHT! Forgot about that. That reminds me, "ke" is used infront of "k" also. So I believe that makes it:

"Ke koa o ke Akua"

Mamo, are you around to verify?

[Ariki]

The Warrior of God =

Ke Koa a Ke Akua

(Ke before k and vowels).

Or alternatively...

God's Warrior =

'O kā Akua koa

I'm not a native speaker mdickers85, nor even an advanced intermediate speaker, so take my suggestions with a grain of salt.

[Nero]

o/a distinction. I take it there's a hint of different meaning so "o" wouldn't be right for possession, then?

[Ariki]

If you use o, they would be warriors from God where as using a indicates that God owns them.

[Mamo]

This is very odd. I could have sworn that I posted in this thread the other day, but when I came back here today my post was gone. I must have written out my text and hit preview instead of submit and then closed the browser.

The Warrior of God =

Ke Koa a Ke Akua

(Ke before k and vowels).

Or alternatively...

God's Warrior =

'O kā Akua koa

I'm not a native speaker mdickers85, nor even an advanced intermediate speaker, so take my suggestions with a grain of salt.

Yup, that's right . A possession is what I would use since what is owned is subordinate to God, and because God would have created the warrior. If by some means he inherited the possessive relationship of the warrior, it might be O posession.

I would write it out like this:

Kā ke Akua koa
or
Ke koa a ke Akua

Although God is a specific title, it is treated grammatically like a common noun, meaning that it takes an article before Akua, and when it is in the object position it is preceded by "i."

Ke is used before K, E, A, O, and some words beginning with P and the 'Okina. It appears rarely with words beginning with other letters. For example I have seen: ke mele, ke hoa, and ke noi.

[Ariki]

Kā ke Akua koa

Whoops English moment

I must have imagined myself writing 'ke' because naturally ke/te always comes before Akua/Atua.

[Mamo]

Kā ke Akua koa

Whoops English moment

I must have imagined myself writing 'ke' because naturally ke/te always comes before Akua/Atua.

Wow. That Happens in Maori too? Now that I think about it, I think that this even happens in Samoan, though "le" is the singular definite article for them - le Atua. Might you have any insight on why this happens in Polynesian languages?

[Ariki]

Because "atua/akua" must have been described by the missionaries as being 'the spirit' (which is the meaning of atua - when a tohunga prays to his atua, he is not praying to Tane, Tangaroa, Tu and Rongo he is praying to an ancestral spirit - Tane, Tangaroa, Tu and Rongo are all tupuna).

So, instead of making it a name they used the appropriate definite article and use that in conjunction with 'atua' to translate as 'God'.