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The Polynesian-Language Thread

Postby Nero » 2006-11-16, 2:11

Tēnā Koutou e hoa,

Kei te hiahia au ki te whakaara i tōku kaupapa konei: I roto te Marae Reo Arapia, e kōrero ana noa iho rātou ki te Reo Arapia. hoki I roto ngā marae reo finnish, chinese, i whea i whea. He hira ngā reo o ngā Tangata Māori, no reira - me mau koe i tōu reo!


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Basically I said above that other language forums have [language]-only threads (Arabic, Finnish, etc) where they only speak their language. The Polynesian languages are also important to us, so we should use our languages similarily. Māori, Faka Tonga, ka `Ōlelo Hawai`i, etc. It is not hard for a speaker of one polynesian language to understand another... What do you guys think?
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Postby Mamo » 2006-11-17, 4:16

He maika'i maoli kou ho'omaka 'ana i keia lopi no makou 'olelo Polenesia e kamakama'ilio ai ma ka makou mau 'olelo pono'i. Eia na'e, i nana aku ko'u hana i kau pauku i ho'a'o ai e kakau ma ka 'olelo Maori, he mau hewa no ko loko. No laila, e ki'i aku ana au ia riki e ho'oponopono.

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Postby Nero » 2006-11-27, 23:20

Mamo wrote: Eia na'e, i nana aku ko'u hana i kau pauku i ho'a'o ai e kakau ma ka 'olelo Maori, he mau hewa no ko loko. No laila, e ki'i aku ana au ia riki e ho'oponopono.



Āe, Mahalo e Mamo. Maika‘i Maoli - he hawa ko‘u Reo Maori, ā, ‘ua ‘ike ‘oe i ko‘u inoa maloko o ka lumi-‘ōlelo*. E kali ana au ho‘i no riki :lol:

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Postby Ariki » 2006-11-29, 0:23

'Ia orana tatou pa'ato'a i roto i te aroha rahi o te Atua :P lol

Ae, e whakaae atu ana au ki o whakaaro e Nero. Ki oku nei whakaaro, mena ka whawkatimataria nei e au tetehi muka mo te reo Maori anake rongo ana au e korero ana au ki a au ano, otira he pai tonu to whakaaro. Wheoi ano, kaore e ahei ana i a au te haere ukiuki mai ki runga i te ipurangi nei a nga wiki ruarua e heke mai nei (no te mea e whakaharareitia ana au ki Ahitereiria nei) otira ka haere harangotengote mai nei au ki te mataitai haere. Kaua e ngaki-tatari mai na ki a au ne ;)

Yes, I agree with your sentiments Nero. I think why I haven't really started a 'te reo Maori only language thread' is that I'd feel like I was talking to myself, but you're suggestion is great. Anyhow, I won't be on the internet very often for the next few weeks (I'm on a forced-holiday in Australia ;)) but I will be checking in from time to time. Don't wait for me ok ;)
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Postby Mamo » 2006-11-29, 6:12

Nero wrote:Āe, Mahalo e Mamo. Maika‘i Maoli - he hawa ko‘u Reo Maori, ā, ‘ua ‘ike ‘oe i ko‘u inoa maloko o ka lumi-‘ōlelo*. E kali ana au ho‘i no riki :lol:

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Mahalo iā ‘oe no kāu pane ‘ana mai. E like me kā Riki i kākau ai i kāna pōhi, ‘a‘ole ‘o ia e ho‘i mai ana no kekahi mau pule, no laila, aia ka pono ‘o kou ho‘oka‘ulua ‘ana i kāu mau ho‘ā‘o i ka ‘ōlelo Māori a hiki i kona ho‘ina mai.

No kāu hopuna‘ōlelo ma luna, ma ka ‘ōlelo Hawai‘i, ‘a‘ole ho‘olō‘ihi ‘ia ka leka A o ka hua‘ōlelo ‘ae, a he ‘okina ko mua o ia ‘ōlelo. Eia kekahi, ‘a‘ohe ‘okina ma mua o ka māka painu ua. ‘Oiai, ‘o “kua” ka māka painu Māori i like kona mana‘o me “ua” o ka ‘ōlelo Hawai‘i, a ‘oiai ‘o ka hua‘ōlelo Māori “āe” ka ho‘opuka ‘ana o ka hua‘ōlelo “ ‘ae” o kā mākou ‘ōlelo, no laila paha ‘oe i kuhihewa ai pēlā ka pela a me ka ho‘opuka ‘ana o ua mau ‘ōlelo nei a i ‘elua ma ka ‘ōlelo Hawai‘i.

Eia hou ho‘i, no ka hune ‘a‘au (intensifier) ho‘i, pono nō e ho'okomo 'ia ma waena o ka hune kaime ana a me ka piko (subject) o ka pepeke, penei:

E kali ana ho‘i au no Riki.

Inā he mau nīnau hou aku kāu, mai hilahila; nīnau ‘ia mai.

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Postby Nero » 2006-12-02, 2:58

Ma kēnā pane, he pohihihi Kekahi mahele iā au.
Pēlā paha pono au e kali, Ā, pono au e kūlia ā'oi :oops:
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Postby Mamo » 2006-12-02, 3:51

Nero wrote:Ma kēnā pane, he pohihihi Kekahi mahele iā au.
Pēlā paha pono au e kali, Ā, pono au e kūlia ā'oi :oops:


E unuhi au i ka'u i kākau ai i hiki ke maopopo ka'u wehewehena.
I'll translate what I wrote so that my explanation will be understandable.

Mamo wrote:
Nero wrote:Āe, Mahalo e Mamo. Maika‘i Maoli - he hawa ko‘u Reo Maori, ā, ‘ua ‘ike ‘oe i ko‘u inoa maloko o ka lumi-‘ōlelo*. E kali ana au ho‘i no riki :lol:

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Mahalo iā ‘oe no kāu pane ‘ana mai. E like me kā Riki i kākau ai i kāna pōhi, ‘a‘ole ‘o ia e ho‘i mai ana no kekahi mau pule, no laila, aia ka pono ‘o kou ho‘oka‘ulua ‘ana i kāu mau ho‘ā‘o i ka ‘ōlelo Māori a hiki i kona ho‘ina mai.

No kāu hopuna‘ōlelo ma luna, ma ka ‘ōlelo Hawai‘i, ‘a‘ole ho‘olō‘ihi ‘ia ka leka A o ka hua‘ōlelo ‘ae, a he ‘okina ko mua o ia ‘ōlelo. Eia kekahi, ‘a‘ohe ‘okina ma mua o ka māka painu ua. ‘Oiai, ‘o “kua” ka māka painu Māori i like kona mana‘o me “ua” o ka ‘ōlelo Hawai‘i, a ‘oiai ‘o ka hua‘ōlelo Māori “āe” ka ho‘opuka ‘ana o ka hua‘ōlelo “ ‘ae” o kā mākou ‘ōlelo, no laila paha ‘oe i kuhihewa ai pēlā ka pela a me ka ho‘opuka ‘ana o ua mau ‘ōlelo nei a i ‘elua ma ka ‘ōlelo Hawai‘i.

Eia hou ho‘i, no ka hune ‘a‘au (intensifier) ho‘i, pono nō e ho'okomo 'ia ma waena o ka hune kaime ana a me ka piko (subject) o ka pepeke, penei:

E kali ana ho‘i au no Riki.

Inā he mau nīnau hou aku kāu, mai hilahila; nīnau ‘ia mai.


Tranlsation of what I wrote:

Thank you for your response. As Riki stated in his post, he won't be back for a few weeks, so, you should postpone your attempts at the Maori language until his return.

Regarding your sentence above, in the Hawaiian language, the letter A of the word 'ae is not lengthened, and there is a glottal stop at the beginning of this word (lit. The front has a glottal stop). Additionally, there is no glottal stop in front of the verb marker ua. Since "kua" is the Maori verb marker whose meaning is the same as Ua of the Hawaiian language, and because the Maori "āe" is the pronunciation of the word which is 'ae in the Hawaiian language, that was the reason (Lit. therefore) you were mistaken that the spelling and pronunciation of the two aforementioned words would be like that.

Also, regarding the intensifier ho'i, it should be insterted between the hune kaime ana and the subject of the sentence, like this:

E kali ana ho‘i au no Riki.

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Postby ego » 2006-12-30, 14:54

Nice idea Nero, you should go on. I'm sorry I cannot participate, first of all because Tongan is only mutually intelligible to Niuean and second because I haven't studied or spoke Tongan for almost 2 years and I forgot much :oops:

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Postby Nero » 2007-01-01, 20:57

ego wrote:Nice idea Nero, you should go on. I'm sorry I cannot participate, first of all because Tongan is only mutually intelligible to Niuean and second because I haven't studied or spoke Tongan for almost 2 years and I forgot much :oops:


Ah, Kia Ora e ego! E whakatakoto kaupapa ana au kia haere tonu i te hokinga o riki (kāore au i te toheriri ki a koe, E mamo, engari he ‘ino Ko‘u ‘Ōlelo Hawai‘i, ā, kāore au i te hiahia ki te tuhituhi rawa atu i te reo, ki te ngaro a Riki. Tae noa ki reira, e noho au, ā, e whakarongo au ki Te Karere 8)

Ah, thank you Ego! I plan to continue at Riki's return (I have nothing against you, Mamo, but my hawaiian is wicked, and I don't want to write Maori excessively if riki's away). Until then, I'll sit and listen to Te Karere 8)
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Re: The Polynesian-Language Thread

Postby ILuvEire » 2010-07-06, 4:09

Aloha! E ola hou kākou i keia kūkā! Pēlā, pehea ‘oe? Pehea ko‘u a‘o ‘ōlelo Hawai‘i? Aha ho‘oholo ‘oe i ka ‘ōlelo Hawai‘i? ‘O au, aloha au i Hawai‘i a me Polenekia, no laila ua nānā au nā lākou pau, ‘oiai aia nā noi‘i a mea kanaka ‘ōlelo kaka‘ikahi a‘e, akā nani ka ‘ōlelo Hawai‘i. Mana‘o au, hiki ia‘u ke kōkua i ke ola hou i ka ‘ōlelo Hawai‘i.

‘Ā, whew, mana‘o au, a‘ole ‘eha‘eha kēia i ka heluhelu.
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Re: The Polynesian-Language Thread

Postby kahihi'o » 2010-07-07, 11:57

Aloha nō e ILuvEire

Maikaʻi nō kāu ʻōlelo. No hea mai ʻoe a pehea ka lōʻihi o kāu aʻo ʻana mai i ka ʻōlelo Hawaiʻi? Ke nānā au i kāu signature, nui kāu mau ʻōlelo e hoʻopaʻahaʻawina nei. ʻEleu nō ʻoe, e ke hoa.


Your Hawaiian is good. Where are you from and how long have you been learning the Hawaiian language? When I look at your signature, I see that there a lot of languages you're currently studying. You're pretty astute, friend.
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Postby ILuvEire » 2010-07-15, 7:34

kahihi'o wrote:Aloha nō e ILuvEire

Maikaʻi nō kāu ʻōlelo. No hea mai ʻoe a pehea ka lōʻihi o kāu aʻo ʻana mai i ka ʻōlelo Hawaiʻi? Ke nānā au i kāu signature, nui kāu mau ʻōlelo e hoʻopaʻahaʻawina nei. ʻEleu nō ʻoe, e ke hoa.


Your Hawaiian is good. Where are you from and how long have you been learning the Hawaiian language? When I look at your signature, I see that there a lot of languages you're currently studying. You're pretty astute, friend.

Mahalo nui, e Kahihi‘o. Mai au Texas (?). Ka lō‘ihi o ka‘u a‘o wahi he mau mahina helu wale. A‘o au i he keu ā nā ‘ōlelo, ka ‘auana makemake (wanderlust? lol) ka‘u. A‘o ‘oe kekahi ‘ōlelo?
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Postby kahihi'o » 2010-07-16, 2:26

ILuvEire wrote:Mahalo nui, e Kahihi‘o. No Texas mai au. He mau mahina helu wale nō ka lōʻihi o kaʻu aʻo ʻana. He keu ā ka nui o nā ʻōlelo aʻu e aʻo mai nei, he mea ʻimi loa* au. A‘o ‘oe i kekahi ‘ōlelo?

Edit: I'm not sure of an equivalent for wanderlust. I might be wrong here.


Akamai nō ʻoe, e ILuvEire. He mea maikaʻi nō kou hoihoi i nā ʻōlelo he nui wale. I ka makamua, ua hoihoi au i ka ʻōlelo Hawaiʻi wale nō, no ka mea, he Hawaiʻi au, a he kuleana nō paha ko nā kānaka Hawaiʻi o kēia au e hoʻōla i ka ʻōlelo o ko mākou mau kūpuna. Nui nō koʻu mahalo i nā mea no nā ʻāina ʻē mai, e like me ʻoe, no ko ʻoukou kākoʻo ʻana i ke aukahi hoʻōla ʻōlelo Hawaiʻi. A hala kahi wā, kupu maila ka makemake i loko oʻu e aʻo mai i nā ʻōlelo Polenesia ʻē aʻe, e laʻa ka ʻōlelo Māori, Tahiti, Sāmoa a me ka ʻōlelo Tonga kekahi. Akā, he ʻike lihi wale nō koʻu i ia mau ʻōlelo. Ne au hoʻomaka e aʻo mai i kekahi ʻōlelo hou, ʻo ka ʻōlelo Tonga ana nō paha ia.
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Postby ILuvEire » 2010-07-16, 8:39

kahihi'o wrote:Akamai nō ʻoe, e ILuvEire. He mea maikaʻi nō kou hoihoi i nā ʻōlelo he nui wale. I ka makamua, ua hoihoi au i ka ʻōlelo Hawaiʻi wale nō, no ka mea, he Hawaiʻi au, a he kuleana nō paha ko nā kānaka Hawaiʻi o kēia au e hoʻōla i ka ʻōlelo o ko mākou mau kūpuna. Nui nō koʻu mahalo i nā mea no nā ʻāina ʻē mai, e like me ʻoe, no ko ʻoukou kākoʻo ʻana i ke aukahi hoʻōla ʻōlelo Hawaiʻi. A hala kahi wā, kupu maila ka makemake i loko oʻu e aʻo mai i nā ʻōlelo Polenesia ʻē aʻe, e laʻa ka ʻōlelo Māori, Tahiti, Sāmoa a me ka ʻōlelo Tonga kekahi. Akā, he ʻike lihi wale nō koʻu i ia mau ʻōlelo. Ne au hoʻomaka e aʻo mai i kekahi ʻōlelo hou, ʻo ka ʻōlelo Tonga ana nō paha ia.

Oh wow, ua ho‘ohana ‘oe nā ‘ōlelo nui, i a‘ole ‘ike au. Pono nui ‘o au ka loa‘a i ka puke wehewehe ‘ōlelo ko‘u! Akā, makemake au i ka manawa ou i kākau i ka ‘ōlelo wale nō, ‘ole ka namu haole (hehe :D ). Akā makemake au i konikoni kāu. Nani ia, a pono kēia. :) Mana‘o au, pono ‘o ‘oe ke a‘o i ka ‘ōlelo Tonga.

‘Auhea hana ‘oe ai? Pehea o‘o ‘oe, ‘o Mamo? ‘O au, haumana au, i ke kula ki‘eki‘e. ‘Umi kūmāono au (oy, ‘ike au, ‘ōpio nō :( ).
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Postby kahihi'o » 2010-07-16, 11:19

ILuvEire wrote:Oh wow, ua ho‘ohana ‘oe i nā ‘ōlelo nui, aʻu i ʻike ʻole ai. Pono nui e loaʻa iaʻu ka puke wehewehe ‘ōlelo! Akā, makemake au i ka manawa ou i kākau i ka ‘ōlelo wale nō, ‘ole ka namu haole (hehe :D ). Akā makemake au i kou konikoni no ka ʻōlelo. Nani ia, a pono kēia. :) Mana‘o au, pono ‘o ‘oe ke a‘o i ka ‘ōlelo Tonga.

‘Auhea ‘oe e hana ai? He aha kāu hana, e Mamo? ‘O au, he haumana au, i ke kula ki‘eki‘e. ‘Umi kūmāono oʻu makahiki (oy, ‘ike au, ‘ōpio nō :( ).


ʻAkahi nō au a puka mai ke kula nui, no laila, ʻaʻohe oʻu hana i kēia manawa. Akā, ke ʻimi aku nei nō au i hana naʻu. He paʻakikī nō. ʻImi i nā wahi e nele ana i nā limahana, hoʻouna aku i kaʻu palapala noi hana, kākau i kekahi resume (ʻaʻole maopopo iaʻu ka huaʻōlelo pololei), a kali i ka lākou pane ʻana mai.

Iwakālua kūmāhā oʻu makahiki. ʻUmikūmāono wale nō ou makahiki? E, ʻeleu nō ʻoe. Kākaʻikahi koʻu launa ʻana me nā ʻōpio i hoihoi i ka naʻauao. Makemake ʻoe e mēkia ma ke kālaiʻōlelo ke hele ʻoe i ke kula nui? E holo mua ana nō ʻoe ma ia kahua. :D
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Postby ILuvEire » 2010-07-17, 4:46

kahihi'o wrote:ʻAkahi nō au a puka mai ke kula nui, no laila, ʻaʻohe oʻu hana i kēia manawa. Akā, ke ʻimi aku nei nō au i hana naʻu. He paʻakikī nō. ʻImi i nā wahi e nele ana i nā limahana, hoʻouna aku i kaʻu palapala noi hana, kākau i kekahi resume (ʻaʻole maopopo iaʻu ka huaʻōlelo pololei), a kali i ka lākou pane ʻana mai.

Iwakālua kūmāhā oʻu makahiki. ʻUmikūmāono wale nō ou makahiki? E, ʻeleu nō ʻoe. Kākaʻikahi koʻu launa ʻana me nā ʻōpio i hoihoi i ka naʻauao. Makemake ʻoe e mēkia ma ke kālaiʻōlelo ke hele ʻoe i ke kula nui? E holo mua ana nō ʻoe ma ia kahua. :D

Hehe, a‘ole makemake au e ho‘opa‘a ike kālai‘ōlelo, makemake au mēkia ma ka ‘oihana ha‘ilono a ka kālai‘āina huli (ā Hikina Waena huli paha.) Pēlā paha, hiki ia‘u ke mēkia kaukolu! Gah, a‘ole ‘eleu au, nerd loa au :P Akā, makemake au e kākau nūpepa ā mea kākau paha. Pēlā paha e kākau ana au i he puke i ka ‘ōlelo Hawai‘i, ā ho‘omaka paha au i he nūpepa i ka ‘ōlelo Hawai‘i. Kēiā moe ko‘u :]

He nīnau ko‘u: a‘ole maopopo au i ke zero-class possessives, like "o‘u" ā "ou" paha. Pehea ho‘ohana au i kēiā pololei?
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Re: The Polynesian-Language Thread

Postby kahihi'o » 2010-07-19, 9:37

ILuvEire wrote:Hehe, a‘ole au makemake e ho‘opa‘aha'awina i ke kālai‘ōlelo, makemake au e mēkia ma ka ‘oihana ha‘ilono a me ke kālai‘āina (Hikina Waena paha). Hiki paha ia‘u ke mēkia kaukolu! Tsā, a‘ole au ‘eleu, nerd* loa au :P Akā, makemake au e kākau nūpepa a hana ma ke ʻano he mea kākau paha. Malia o kākau au i kekahi puke i ka ‘ōlelo Hawai‘i, a ho‘omaka paha au i kekahi nūpepa i ka ‘ōlelo Hawai‘i. ʻO koʻu moemoeā kēia :]

He nīnau ka‘u: ʻa‘ole maopopo iaʻu ka zero-class possessives, e like me "o‘u" ā "ou" paha. Pehea au e ho‘ohana ai i kēia me ka pololei?

Note: ʻAʻohe huaʻōlelo hoʻohenehene ma ka ʻōlelo Hawaiʻi no ke ake akamai.



I ka nui o ka manawa, hoʻokomo ʻia ka zero-possessive ma hope o ke kikino.

koʻu hale
ka hale oʻu

koʻu mau hoa
nā hoa oʻu

Hoʻohana pū ʻia ka zero-possessive me ka helu, e like me kēia.

ʻElua oʻu kaʻa.
I have two cars.

ʻEhā ona kaikaina.
He has four younger brothers.

No ka ʻike hou aku, e heluhelu i ka puke ʻo Hawaiian Grammar na Elbert lāua ʻo Pukui.
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Re: The Polynesian-Language Thread

Postby Ariki » 2010-07-20, 21:49

Aloha kahihi'o,

He ninau ho'i ka'u e pili ana i ka zero-possessive marking.

ʻElua oʻu kaʻa.
I have two cars.

ʻEhā ona kaikaina.
He has four younger brothers.


E hiki ho'i e hana penei????-

ʻElua na kaʻa o'u.

ʻEhā na kaikaina o'u

????
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He ingoa ōpaki a Riki; he ingoa ōkawa a Ariki.

Riki is an informal name; Ariki is a formal name.

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Re: The Polynesian-Language Thread

Postby ILuvEire » 2010-07-20, 22:38

Ahhhh, okay, maopopo ia‘u. Mahalo nui loa, e Mamo :)
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Re: The Polynesian-Language Thread

Postby kahihi'o » 2010-07-21, 0:27

Ariki wrote:Aloha kahihi'o,

He ninau ho'i ka'u e pili ana i ka zero-possessive marking.

ʻElua oʻu kaʻa.
I have two cars.

ʻEhā ona kaikaina.
He has four younger brothers.


E hiki ho'i e hana penei????-

ʻElua na kaʻa o'u.

ʻEhā na kaikaina o'u

????


ʻAe, hiki paha, akā, ʻaʻole he mea maʻa mau. I nā māmala ʻōlelo ma luna, ke hoʻohana ʻia nei nā helu i mau painu (the numbers are being used as verbs).
I nui ke aho a moe i ke kai, no ke kai kā hoʻi ua ʻāina.


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