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Talk about Sanskrit here :)

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Re: संस्कृता वाक् - Sanskrit!

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Sanskrit is such a beautiful langauge

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Re: संस्कृता वाक् - Sanskrit!

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Re: संस्कृता वाक् - Sanskrit!

Postby ILuvEire » 2009-01-02, 5:35

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Re: संस्कृता वाक् - Sanskrit!

Postby KingHarvest » 2009-01-02, 20:04

Ok, I'll start posting lessons here when I have time. I do not have the CD needed to install complex scripts, so I will be posting things in a modified version of the standard Romanization of Devanagari. When I get a hold of the CD, I will start incorporating Devanagari into the lessons. If anyone knows how to make custom keyboards, please let me know so that I can easily use the letters with their correct diacritic marks.

Introduction:

There are two major "dialects" of Sanskrit: Vedic and Classical. The Rig Veda is the oldest of the Vedas and contains the most "pure" Vedic Sanskrit. The remaining Vedas and certain prose commentaries on them begin to resemble Classical Sanskrit in certain ways. Vedic Sanskrit is actually a bit of a misnomer as it is really a conglomeration of all of the most archaic Indic languages, and the German term for it, Altindisch, is probably more accurate. Classical Sanskrit was a relatively artificial language codified by paaNini that was spoken by the upper-classes. These lessons will focus on Classical Sanskrit.

Phonology and Orthography/Alphabet:

(NB: this is also the order of the alphabet in Devanagari)
Simple vowels:
Short vowels are represented by a single letter (except in the case of o, e, and L, these will be explained later), and long vowels by doubling the letter. Long vowels and diphthongs should be pronounced at least twice as long as the short vowels.
a: The omnipresent a of the Indic languages, it is pronounced [ə]
aa: [a:]
i: [ i ]
ii: [i:]
u: [u]
uu: [u:]

Sonorants:
R: [r̩ ]
RR: [r̩ :] (extremely rare)
L: [l̩ ] (occurs in only one verb)

Dipthongs:
e: [e:] This was originally a diphthong [ai] (and was probably pronounced as such in Vedic), but has monophthongized into [e:] in Classical. For purposes of sandhi, however, it still functions as a diphthong.
ai: [ai], or, more accurately, [a:i].
o: [o:] The same explanation as for "e," except it was originally [au].
au: [au] or [a:u]

Consonants:
Stops:
Sanskrit posses an extremely rich consonant inventory, especially in stops. This is to be read left to right. NB: Sanskrit does geminate consonants.
k: [k]; kh: [kʰ]; g: [g]; gh: [gʰ]; N: [ŋ]
c: [tʃ]; ch: [tʃʰ]; j: [dʒ]; jh: [dʒʰ]; J: [ɲ]
T: [ʈ]; Th: [ʈʰ]; D: [ɖ]; Dh: [ɖʰ]; n`: [ɳ]
t: [t̪]; th: [t̪ʰ]; d: [d̪]; dh: [d̪ʰ]; n: [n̪]
p: [p]; ph: [pʰ]; b: [ b ]; bh: [bʰ]; m: [m]

You will notice that the rows progress from the furthest back in the mouth to the furthest front in the mouth. Each row is ordered unvoiced, unvoiced aspirated, voiced, voiced aspirated, nasal at that particular articulation point.
Semivowels:
y: [j]
r: [r]
l: [l̪]
v: [vʷ], probably [w] in Vedic

Sibilants:
C: [ʂ]
S: [ʃ]
s: [s]

Fricatives:
h: [ɦ]

There are also two other sounds that are marked by diacritics in Devanagari. The first is the anusvara, which I will represent with M. It nasalizes the vowel preceding it. The other is the visarga, which I will represent with H. It is [h] (a true fricative, not the voiceless vowel like in English and other European languages), and occurs only at the end of syllables.

Sandhi:

Sandhi is probably the most frustrating aspect of Sanskrit, and, unfortunately, cannot be ignored by the beginning student and must be learned immediately. Sandhi is the changes in sound that take place when words are put into the context of a sentence. The vast majority of these changes take place only between the final syllable of a word and the initial syllable of the following word.

Word-Boundary Consonant Sandhi:
Fortunately, few of the consonants can end a word in Sanskrit, which drastically reduces the number of Sandhi rules.
Final Stop Sandhi
Of the stops, only k, T, t, and p can end a word.
-Before any voiceless sound (voiceless stops and fricatives), they will remain unchanged.
-Before a voiced sound (voiced stops, vowels, and semi-vowels), they change into the voiced sound of their respective rows.
E.g., bhagavat + giitaa -> bhagavad giitaa
-Before a nasal, they change into the nasal of their respective rows.
E.g., vak + na -> vaN na
-Before h, the stop will become voiced and the h will be dropped and replaced with the appropriate voiced consonant.
E.g., tat + hanti -> tad dhanti
-t has a few other special rules just for it. Before c/ch/C and j/jh it becomes c and j respectively. Before l it also becomes l.
E.g., tat + ca -> tac ca; tat + likhati -> tal likhati

Final Nasal Sandhi
Only N, n, and m may end a word in Sanskrit.
-N never changes, except it is doubled when the next sound is a short vowel.
-n likewise is doubled before short vowels. Before the voiceless coronals (c/ch, T/Th, t/th) it changes to M + plus the respective sibilant.
E.g., taan + cintanti -> taaMC cintanti
Likewise, before C it assimilates to J, and C may optionally be changed to ch
taan + CatruH -> taaJ CatruH or taaJ chatruH
Before the voiced coronals it simply assimilates to that row's nasal
taan + jiivati -> taaJ + jiivati
-m always changes to M except when the following sound is a vowel.

Final H Sandhi
This is broken down into 3 divisions: -aH, -aaH, and any other vowel + H or r

Final -aH Sandhi
-Before all voiced sounds, except vowels, it becomes o
pan`DiTaH + vadati -> pan`DiTo vadati
-Before vowels the H is dropped, unless the following vowel is an "a," then the -aH becomes o and the a is dropped.
aCvaH + iti -> aCva iti; aCvaH + api -> aCvo 'pi
-Before the voiceless coronals the H is dropped and assimilated to the corresponding sibilant.
aCvaH + ca -> aCvaC ca; aCvaH + tat -> aCvas tat
-Before the remaining voiceless sounds, the -aH remains unchanged.

Final -aaH Sandhi
-Before all voiced sounds, the H is dropped
aCvaaH + jiivati -> aCvaa jiivati
-Before the voiceless coronals, the H is assimilated to the corresponding sibilant.
aCvaaH + ca -> aCvaaC ca; aCvaaH + tat -> aCvaas tat
-Before the remaining voiceless sounds the -aaH remains unchanged.

Other final H/r Sandhi
-Before all voiced sounds the H/r is represented by r, except if the following sound is r, then it is dropped and if the vowel is any of the short vowels it is lengthened.
baalaiH + api -> baalaiH api; baalaabhiH + rakSasaH -> baalaabhii rakSasaH
-Before the voiceless coronals the H/r is assimilated to the respective sibilant.
muneH + ca -> muneC ca
-Before all other voiceless sounds the H/r is H.
-At the end of the sentence the H/r is H.

Word-Boundary Vowel Sandhi
Vowel Sandhi is generally quite straightforward. When only one vowel is given as the outcome of the following Sandhi rules, it means that the two vowels have coalesced into a single vowel.

Final a/aa Sandhi
-Before a/aa ->aa
-Before i/ii -> e (remember that e and o were originally diphthongs)
-Before u/uu -> o
-Before R -> ar
-Before e/ai -> ai
-Before o/au -> au

Final i/ii Sandhi
-Before a/aa -> ya/yaa
-Before i/ii -> ii
-Before u/uu -> yu/yuu
-Before R -> yR
-Before e/ai -> ye/yai
-Before o/au -> yo/yau

Final u/uu Sandhi
-Before a/aa -> va/vaa
-Before i/ii -> vi/vii
-Before u/uu -> uu
-Before R -> vR
-Before e/ai -> ve/vai
-Before o/au -> vo/vau

Final R Sandhi
-Before a/aa -> ra/raa
-Before i/ii -> ri/rii
-Before u/uu -> ru/ruu
-Before R -> RR
-Before e/ai -> re/rai
-Before o/au -> ro/rau

Final e/o Sandhi
-Before a -> e/o
-Before aa -> a aa
-Before i/ii -> a i/ii
-Before u/uu -> a u/uu
-Before R -> a R
-Before e/ai -> a e/ai
-Before o/au -> a o/au

Final ai/au Sandhi
Almost exactly the same, ai + a, however, results in aa a.
All of the a 's are lengthened to aa. All of the combinations with au replace the space with a v, so aava, aavaa, aavi, etc.

These rules operate at all times across word boundaries and when compound words are formed. The only times when these rules are not followed are:
1. The end of a sentence
2.) When ii, uu, or e are the ending of a dual inflection
3.) Vocatives
4.) The pronoun saH follows an irregular sandhi pattern in that it becomes sa before all consonants and remains saH before vowels and the end of the sentence.

Internal Sandhi
Internal Sandhi occurs principally when the different inflections are used. There are only two major rules of Internal Sandhi, others exist but they are intuitive and will be treated on an ad hoc basis.

Retroflexion of s
s becomes S when it is immediately preceded by k, r, or any vowel besides a/aa unless it is final or followed immediately by an r. If an anusvara or visarga is between the k/r/vowel and s, the s still becomes S.

#stha in the present tense has a ti prefixed to the front and the stem becomes tiSTh-

Retroflexion of n

If an R, RR, r, or S occurs anywhere in a word before an n, then the n changes to n` unless any coronal sound (c row, T row, t row, l, s, or C) is between the R, RR, r, or S and n or one of the coronals immediately follows the n or the n is final. If an n is followed by an m, y, v, or n in a situation in which it undergoes retroflexion, these sounds will also turn into an n`.

priya + ani (neuter nom./acc. ending) -> priyaan`i

That's it for this lesson. If anything isn't clear, just ask, and I will do my best to clear up any confusion. I will let you all mull this over for now, and I will post some sandhi exercises later tonight.
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Re: संस्कृता वाक् - Sanskrit!

Postby Meera » 2009-01-02, 23:39

ILuvEire wrote:Meera, you're my best friend, thank you!
Meera! Sei la mia migliore amica, grazie!


koi baat nahin :)

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Re: संस्कृता वाक् - Sanskrit!

Postby KingHarvest » 2009-01-03, 2:08

bRhadaCvaH uvaaca.
aasiit raajaa nalaH naama viirasenasutaH balii.
upapannaH gun`aiH istaiH ruupavaan aCvakovidaH.
atistan manujendraanaam muurdhni devapatiH yathaa.
upari upari sarvesaam aadityaH iva tejasaa;
brahmanyaH vedavit CuuraH nisadhesu mahiipatiH.
akSapriyaH satyavaadii mahaan akSauhiniipatiH.

This seems good. I took away all the sandhi from a passage of Sanskrit, so you need to reaply the sandhi. Don't forget internal sandhi!
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Re: संस्कृता वाक् - Sanskrit!

Postby ILuvEire » 2009-01-03, 7:15

Okay, I tried it out. I may have missed some things, but I think I got most of it.

bRhadaCvo uvaaca.
aasiid raajaa nalo naama viirasen`asuto balii.
upapanno gun`aiH istaiH ruupavaann aCvakovidaH.
atiStan manujendraan`aaM muurdhni devapatiH yathaa.
upari yupari sarvesaam aaditya eva tejasaa;
brahmanyo vedavic Cuuro niSadheSu mahiipatiH.
akSapriyo satyavaadii mahaan akSauhiniipatiH.
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Re: संस्कृता वाक् - Sanskrit!

Postby ILuvEire » 2009-01-06, 7:21

KingHarvest wrote:bRhadaCvaH uvaaca.
aasiit raajaa nalaH naama viirasenasutaH balii.
upapannaH gun`aiH istaiH ruupavaan aCvakovidaH.
atistan manujendraanaam muurdhni devapatiH yathaa.
upari upari sarvesaam aadityaH iva tejasaa;
brahmanyaH vedavit CuuraH nisadhesu mahiipatiH.
akSapriyaH satyavaadii mahaan akSauhiniipatiH.

This seems good. I took away all the sandhi from a passage of Sanskrit, so you need to reaply the sandhi. Don't forget internal sandhi!


Also, I meant to ask. where is this passage from? Do we get a translation? :D
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Re: संस्कृता वाक् - Sanskrit!

Postby KingHarvest » 2009-01-07, 5:20

Here are your corrections. Ask me if you don't understand something. This is an excerpt from the Mahabharata, and I'll post a translation tomorrow as I'm pretty tired tonight.

bRhadaCva uvaaca.
aasiid raajaa nalo naama viirasen`asuto balii.
upapanno gun`air iSTai ruupavaann aCvakovidaH.
atiSTan manujendraan`aaM muurdhni devapatir yathaa.
upary upari sarveSaam aaditya eva tejasaa;
brahman`yo vedavic Cuuro niSadheSu mahiipatiH.
akSapriyaH satyavaadii mahaan akSauhiniipatiH.
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Re: संस्कृता वाक् - Sanskrit!

Postby kman1 » 2009-02-19, 6:47

Awesome! An advanced Sanskrit speaker here on Unilang. Great! I might look into this language, kingharvest. :hmm:

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Re: संस्कृता वाक् - Sanskrit!

Postby rudi » 2009-03-05, 10:59

Hi,

I've found your website in the internet and wonder if you might translate a saying into sanskrit for me (with sanskrit typing/ letters as well).

The saying is "Only if you try the impossible you can achieve the possible".

I would be very thankful for you to help me, as both the saying and the sanskrit translation have a special meaning to me and are supposed to be tattooed.

Thank you very much for your help.

Kind regards,

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Re: संस्कृता वाक् - Sanskrit!

Postby barb851 » 2009-03-26, 13:09

Hi everybody!

Can somebody help me with a translation please?

With Sign/Word means LOVE in Sanskrit?

Thank you for your help.

Barbara

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Re: संस्कृता वाक् - Sanskrit!

Postby ILuvEire » 2009-03-26, 17:01

barb851 wrote:Hi everybody!

Can somebody help me with a translation please?

With Sign/Word means LOVE in Sanskrit?

Thank you for your help.

Barbara

What kind of love? भक्ति (bhakti I think) is religious love, स्नेह (snaha, I think) is motherly love, and काम (kaama) is sexual love.

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Re: संस्कृता वाक् - Sanskrit!

Postby eskandar » 2009-03-26, 19:00

eskandar wrote:Why do you want a tattoo in a script you can't even read? Why not just get LOVE in English? You obviously don't have any connection to any of the languages written in Devanagari, since you don't care what language it is as long as it's written in the script you like. Since you're just after the look of the word and not the meaning, why not get any word tattooed? Why not grab a Hindi newspaper, pick the word that looks prettiest to you, and get that tattooed on your body?

The word "love" in English is meaningful to you, but the words pyar, prem, maya, or ishq mean absolutely nothing to you. Can you tell me what the difference is between "pyar" and "ishq"? If not, then how do you know which one you want? How can a word that you don't even know be meaningful? You don't know what its meaning is!

Anyway, here you go:

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Re: संस्कृता वाक् - Sanskrit!

Postby barb851 » 2009-03-27, 7:50

Hi ILuvEire

I am looking for the word LOVE for my love for my family, for my animals, for my town, for my friends, for my life for everything which is important for me...
Just a word which says LOVE like in english! A general meaning for important things in my life.

What is the difference between the word LOVE in the different languages which are written with the devanagari alphabet?

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Re: संस्कृता वाक् - Sanskrit!

Postby barb851 » 2009-03-27, 8:15

Hi ILuvEire

The word LOVE should mean all the important things in my life!
My friends, my family, my animals, my town....
Just the general meaning of love like in english or german!

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Re: संस्कृता वाक् - Sanskrit!

Postby loqu » 2009-03-27, 9:07

barb851 wrote:Hi ILuvEire

The word LOVE should mean all the important things in my life!
My friends, my family, my animals, my town....
Just the general meaning of love like in english or german!


But you must understand that what you might feel as a general idea of love may not exist in other languages or cultures, who may have different concepts of love depending on if it is sexual, familiar or towards things.
Нека људи уживају у стварима.
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Re: संस्कृता वाक् - Sanskrit!

Postby barb851 » 2009-03-27, 9:11

Hallo loqu

Sprichst DU Deutsch?

Ich weiss schon, dass es nicht so einfach ist, ein Wort einfach zu übersetzen und
zu glauben, dass es in anderen Sprachen auch nur diese eine Bedeutung gibt.
Aber gibt es denn kein Wort in Sanskrit, dass Liebe im allgmeinen ausdrückt?


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