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Dikshonario monolingwe?

Postby urubu » 2007-02-05, 22:11

Hi,

is there a good monolingual dictionary of Papiamentu available?

The two dictionaries I have are both nl-pap:

    -Joubert, Sidney: Handwoordenboek Nederlands - Papiamentu (nl>pap)

    -Dijkhoff, Mario: Dikshonario Woordenboek (nl<>pap)


TIA,
Michael

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Postby dyjohen » 2007-06-04, 20:50

I'm sure there is in Aruba but I don't know about other countries. Have you looked online?

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Words of encouragement

Postby lyric » 2007-06-06, 13:40

Hello Papiamento speakers,

Your help is needed to complete the list of words of encouragement: http://home.unilang.org/wiki3/index.php ... ouragement

i.e. words you say to yourself or others when trying to accomplish a hard task,
like for example learning a new language :wink:.

Examples: "You can make it.", "Go-ahead! ", "Go!"

How do you say in Papiamento?

(When possible in original script and English transcript)

Thanks,
Lyric

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Postby dyjohen » 2007-08-05, 21:14

Well you can use "Si bo por!", "Dal bai!", "Sigui!"

Hope that helps.

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Postby lyric » 2007-08-10, 11:29

Hello dyjohen,

thanks for your words, I have added them to the wiki. ;-)
dyjohen wrote:Well you can use "Si bo por!", "Dal bai!", "Sigui!"

Hope that helps.


Could you give literal translations for these words?

Cheers :-D,
Lyric

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Postby dyjohen » 2007-08-11, 3:14

"Si bo por!" = "Yes you can!" or "You can make it!"
"Dal bai!" = "Go-ahead!"
"Sigui!" = "Continue!" or "Go!"

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Postby lyric » 2007-08-11, 11:17

dyjohen wrote:"Si bo por!" = "Yes you can!" or "You can make it!"
"Dal bai!" = "Go-ahead!"
"Sigui!" = "Continue!" or "Go!"



Thanks a lot :D !!

Lyric

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Postby FutureSpy » 2007-11-03, 2:24

Thanks for the lessons.

Found more lessons on here and here.

This thread seems to be dead for quite a while. Did anyone here succeed to learn Papiamentu?

Today I've bought a Papiamentu book, but from what I read (still haven't received it yet) it's actually a grammar.

It would be great if anyone could write dialogues/conversations for us to study and learn how to actually speak it. Can't seem to find any phrasebook...

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Postby dyjohen » 2007-11-03, 2:42

I'm sure there is one. Just hard to find. The tread is dead. I was hoping to have more help with it. I don't always have time with all my classes and stuff.

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Postby FutureSpy » 2007-11-03, 3:55

Actually, just found one:
PAPIAMENTU PHRASEBOOK – A new phrasebook for Papiamentu, the Creole spoken
locally on Bonaire is now available. The book provides information on island road signs, words
for foods, as well as the sentences that are commonly exchanged as part of day-to-day life.
Information about the history and grammar of the language and the practices and beliefs of the
people who live in Netherlands Antilles is also included. The book can be purchased for $10
from a number of locations including the Tourism Corporation Bonaire (TCB) office on island.

But not sure about the contents and probably not sound overseas... :(

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Postby hanumizzle » 2007-11-03, 5:10

If you can't go to a certain place, try finding someone to talk with on Skype. MSN messenger would also go for written expression.
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Postby E}{pugnator » 2007-11-03, 12:03

FutureSpy wrote:Thanks for the lessons.

Today I've bought a Papiamentu book, but from what I read (still haven't received it yet) it's actually a grammar.



Onde eu encontro este livro, qual o nome dele?
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Postby FutureSpy » 2007-11-03, 16:32

hanumizzle wrote:If you can't go to a certain place, try finding someone to talk with on Skype. MSN messenger would also go for written expression.

Good idea! Had forgotten completely about Skype :O

E}{pugnator wrote:Onde eu encontro este livro, qual o nome dele?

Eu comprei o meu na Amazon (US). Procure por "Papiamentu Textbook" (E. R Goilo). Tem alguns por lá, ainda. Na Abebooks também lembro de ter visto alguns... Parece que a edição mais antiga tem capa rosa e a mais nova, capa verde. Pelo que me comentaram, o conteúdo é o mesmo, são apenas impressões diferentes. Então, talvez melhor ir pelo mais barato... :D
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a few specific questions

Postby hrick » 2008-01-28, 19:07

How do you translate "about" when it means "on the topic of"? For example, "a book about America" would be un buki __ Merka?

Also, I am trying to understand the many functions of "ku." I guess it is sometimes a preposition that means "accompanying," and sometimes a relative pronoun. Is it also a conjunction as in "ta duel nos ku bo no por bini"? Wow, that's a lot of functions for one little word. Am I understand it correctly?

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Re: a few specific questions

Postby hrick » 2008-02-03, 21:07

hrick wrote:How do you translate "about" when it means "on the topic of"? For example, "a book about America" would be un buki __ Merka?


Answering my own question here, it seems "tokante" or "tokante di" corresponds to about / pertaining to / on the topic of. I found these example phrases on the web:

...sirbi komo un plataforma di idea tokante e boneriano...

..un atardi di informashon tokante di seksualidat.

Mi a lesa un artíkulo tokante KidDocs den un korant lokal.

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Re: a few specific questions

Postby dyjohen » 2008-02-15, 1:53

hrick wrote:
hrick wrote:How do you translate "about" when it means "on the topic of"? For example, "a book about America" would be un buki __ Merka?


Answering my own question here, it seems "tokante" or "tokante di" corresponds to about / pertaining to / on the topic of. I found these example phrases on the web:

...sirbi komo un plataforma di idea tokante e boneriano...

..un atardi di informashon tokante di seksualidat.

Mi a lesa un artíkulo tokante KidDocs den un korant lokal.


Very good yes thats the proper way of saying it. But in Aruba you ca loose the "tokante" or "tocante" and just say "di". So it will be "un buki di merca" ofcourse this is unclear if you look at it from just this sentance but in conversation the other person will be able to undestand that you mean a book about America and not a book from america.

"ku" or "cu" can be "with" or "that" maybe more, but I can't think of any other meanings at the moment.

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Postby dyjohen » 2008-02-15, 2:03

Actually I'm online quite a lot and I'm willing to help anyone that wants to chat in papiamento. When I'll be going back to Aruba this summer I'll buy a dictionary that way I can help with the more advanced writing. If anyone is interested my chat is joelnet86@hotmail.com I have skype too but I'm not on it that often. MSN is my thing :)

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Postby Abavagada » 2008-02-16, 0:02

I started working today on converting the course in this thread into a "for Beginner" course. I will be formatting it and doing my best to enhance it and add exercises. I will post a link to it here when I'm done for people to correct and give me suggestions, if they would.

I was wondering if anyone has an IPA chart of the pronunciation of the letters online.

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Postby dyjohen » 2008-02-16, 2:16

Thanks. Let me know how I can help.

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Postby Abavagada » 2008-02-16, 14:38

dyjohen wrote:Thanks. Let me know how I can help.


Thanks dyjohen. I was hoping you would say that. :) I will have to be picking up the language enough to bring it together properly, since I have no knowledge of it myself. I am sure to have questions, and will need everything looked over as well. I'll post here when I have more.

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