Hello all,
I'm trying to tackle what I see as my biggest problem with Irish - nouns. Specifically how they inflect for case depending on declension. I have read quite a few different approaches to this. One book (which seemed to be pretty on the ball) called Irish Nouns: A Reference Guide by Andrew Carnie postulates a 10 declension system, with a separate system for determining plurals where nouns are grouped into "plural-types". These plural types work for determining the inflections of plural nouns for cases just as his declensions do for singular nouns. There are 6 plural types. Now, 6 plural types and 10 declensions sounds a lot more complicated than 5 declensions (including plurals), or a different 6 declension system I remember hearing about, but I would imagine Carnie's 10 Declension system has fewer exceptions, given that there are more rules covering them. Now, I could get my head around this. If this were it, I would just have to learn off the rules for the different declensions, and plural-types, and then learn a method for determining which pigeon-holes to place nouns in (hopefully there would be one). But this is not all. In his book Carnie gives examples for one of his declensions:
Declension Class A (he listed them A~J)
Rule: All Singular cases are the same
(I don't know why he says "singular" here, he's already explained that all "declensions" relate only to singular nouns)
Examples:
"The Thousand"(m) Nom./Acc: an míle Gen.: an mhíle Dat.: an míle Voc.: a mhíle
"The Festival" (f) Nom./Acc: an fhéile Gen.: na féile Dat.: an bhféile Voc.: a fhéile
So the rule is that they are all the same. To me, however, "míle" and "mhíle" are different! And that's not even taking into account the differences between the masculine and feminine forms.
He mentioned something about "except for articles and mutations" in the explanation he gave in the book for this declension. I looked up his section on "Articles and Mutations" and it said (as far as I could make out) that there was a further set of inflectional changes that were independent of declension or plural type that are applied to all nouns based on case, gender, number and what the initial letter of the word is. There was 1 form per case (4 cases), per number (2- sing. and pl.), per gender (2- Masc. and Fem.) per initial letter group (he lists 5), so that means there are 80 inflections to learn off for the cases, and then all the further changes for each declension/ plural-type? I assume the changes for the declensions act in tandem with the innate case changes?
I'm confused, I don't mind if the system is complex or if I have to learn off a lot of rules to know how to inflect nouns correctly, I just want to be clear on what the system actually is, so that I can go about the grueling task of actually learning it. I am sick of having no idea how or why a noun is in the form it is (séamhú's and urú's and word-final vowels getting slenderised and all of the above all at once...).