"ll" sound in Greenlandic

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"ll" sound in Greenlandic

Postby Irusia » 2016-02-21, 16:36

How to pronounce it?
 (uk) Здайся на Господа у твоїх справах, і задуми твої здійсняться. (Приповідки 16, 3)
 (en) Entrust your work to the Lord, and your planning will succeed. (Proverbs 16, 3)
 (et) Veereta oma tööd Issanda peale,
siis su kavatsused lähevad korda. (Õpetussõnad 16, 3)
 (es) Pon en manos del Señor todas tus obras, y tus proyectos se cumplirán. (Proverbios 16, 3)

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Re: "ll" sound in Greenlandic

Postby TheStrayCat » 2016-02-21, 21:03

According to Wikipedia, it's [ɬ] (Voiceless alveolar lateral fricative), not a very common sound in European languages.
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Re: "ll" sound in Greenlandic

Postby Irusia » 2016-02-21, 21:16

TheStrayCat wrote:Voiceless alveolar lateral fricative

This term is meaningless to me. :)
Can you give more practical explanation?
 (uk) Здайся на Господа у твоїх справах, і задуми твої здійсняться. (Приповідки 16, 3)
 (en) Entrust your work to the Lord, and your planning will succeed. (Proverbs 16, 3)
 (et) Veereta oma tööd Issanda peale,
siis su kavatsused lähevad korda. (Õpetussõnad 16, 3)
 (es) Pon en manos del Señor todas tus obras, y tus proyectos se cumplirán. (Proverbios 16, 3)

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Re: "ll" sound in Greenlandic

Postby Irusia » 2016-02-21, 21:18

Ти з України? Я спочатку й не помітила.
 (uk) Здайся на Господа у твоїх справах, і задуми твої здійсняться. (Приповідки 16, 3)
 (en) Entrust your work to the Lord, and your planning will succeed. (Proverbs 16, 3)
 (et) Veereta oma tööd Issanda peale,
siis su kavatsused lähevad korda. (Õpetussõnad 16, 3)
 (es) Pon en manos del Señor todas tus obras, y tus proyectos se cumplirán. (Proverbios 16, 3)

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Re: "ll" sound in Greenlandic

Postby linguoboy » 2016-02-21, 21:25

Irusia wrote:
TheStrayCat wrote:Voiceless alveolar lateral fricative

This term is meaningless to me. :)
Can you give more practical explanation?

1. Put your tongue in position for pronouncing the "light" l-sound (i.e. like the first l in little, not the last).
2. Start blowing air out like you would for h, but without taking your tongue from that position. (You'll have to exaggerate this at first to get the right effect; don't be afraid of spitting a little!)
3. You should feel your tongue vibrate as the air rushes out to one side. When that happens, you're making the [ɬ] sound.

Welsh ll is the exact same sound. So if this doesn't help you, search YouTube for tutorials on pronouncing Welsh ll and follow their instructions.
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Re: "ll" sound in Greenlandic

Postby Irusia » 2016-02-21, 21:28

linguoboy wrote:
Irusia wrote:
TheStrayCat wrote:Voiceless alveolar lateral fricative

This term is meaningless to me. :)
Can you give more practical explanation?

1. Put your tongue in position for pronouncing the "light" l-sound (i.e. like the first l in little, not the last).
2. Start blowing air out like you would for h, but without taking your tongue from that position. (You'll have to exaggerate this at first to get the right effect; don't be afraid of spitting a little!)
3. You should feel your tongue vibrate as the air rushes out to one side. When that happens, you're making the [ɬ] sound.

Welsh ll is the exact same sound. So if this doesn't help you, search YouTube for tutorials on pronouncing Welsh ll and follow their instructions.

Thank you! I'll try.
 (uk) Здайся на Господа у твоїх справах, і задуми твої здійсняться. (Приповідки 16, 3)
 (en) Entrust your work to the Lord, and your planning will succeed. (Proverbs 16, 3)
 (et) Veereta oma tööd Issanda peale,
siis su kavatsused lähevad korda. (Õpetussõnad 16, 3)
 (es) Pon en manos del Señor todas tus obras, y tus proyectos se cumplirán. (Proverbios 16, 3)

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Re: "ll" sound in Greenlandic

Postby TheStrayCat » 2016-02-21, 22:15

Oh, I linked the Wikipedia article about the language, but forgot to link the page about the sound itself. Actually, here you can listen to a sample of this sound. It might also be easier to make sense of it if you try to reproduce the corresponding affricate which ends in the same sound. :)
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