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Re: Mohawk

Postby Formiko » 2010-11-06, 18:45

księżycowy wrote:
Nero wrote:I'd probably do it - it's cheaper than the plane ticket to North Dakota :lol:

Indeed it is.

Plus Canada is nearby. When's the next Mohawk powwow? We could get together around then..(probably next spring)
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Re: Mohawk

Postby księżycowy » 2010-11-06, 19:34

Sounds like a potential plan to me!
Plus it gives me a chance to try and get through the Teaching Grammar! 8-)

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Re: Mohawk

Postby Nero » 2010-11-07, 3:31

Let's do it! I'll start learning Mohawk, then :lol:

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Re: Mohawk

Postby Formiko » 2010-11-07, 5:07

Nero wrote:Let's do it! I'll start learning Mohawk, then :lol:

Hao'ki wahi!
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Re: Mohawk

Postby księżycowy » 2010-11-07, 11:06

Do you have anything to use to learn Mohawk, Nero?
If not I could post some stuff.

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Re: Mohawk Discussion

Postby Nero » 2010-11-07, 18:25

I have the pdf in the resources thread, which seems to be very good - I'll start with that for now. Thank you for the offer 8-)

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Re: Mohawk Discussion

Postby księżycowy » 2010-11-07, 20:38

Nero wrote:I have the pdf in the resources thread, which seems to be very good - I'll start with that for now. Thank you for the offer 8-)

Well that is written in the old orthography, just to warn you now. Not exactly sure what the differences are, but . . . If your main focus is spoken Mohawk you should be fine.
As for me, I want the whole caboose!

And yes, it's an excellent textbook!

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Re: Mohawk Discussion

Postby Nero » 2010-11-08, 21:47

Good to note - yeah, so long as I can vaguely pronounce it, I think I should be alright :mrgreen:

Here's something I found the other day: a news program in Mohawk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYYTuAsY ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtv-ziih ... re=related (their Halloween video!)

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Re: Mohawk Discussion

Postby księżycowy » 2010-11-08, 22:01

Cool! Thanks! Have to check that out later!

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Re: Mohawk Discussion

Postby Dunbots » 2010-11-08, 22:12

It sounds cool. :D Is it just me, or are they using a retroflex tap for their "r"?
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Re: Mohawk Discussion

Postby księżycowy » 2010-11-10, 16:52

Yes! Just got A Thousand Words of Mohawk (by Michelson, not Maracle, though I might still get Maracle's book). Now maybe I can get somewhere with learning stems!
Not that it's been particularly hard to figure them out so far. 8-)
Though it is an odd orthography used in Michelson's book . . .
v = en
u = on
f :shock:

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Re: Mohawk Discussion

Postby Formiko » 2010-11-11, 2:38

Dunbots wrote:It sounds cool. :D Is it just me, or are they using a retroflex tap for their "r"?

Yes, that's how it's pronounced. It's rarely trilled. In the news above, the young girl has a horrible accent. Don't emulate her. :|
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Re: Mohawk Discussion

Postby księżycowy » 2010-11-11, 11:18

Formiko wrote:
Dunbots wrote:It sounds cool. :D Is it just me, or are they using a retroflex tap for their "r"?

Yes, that's how it's pronounced. It's rarely trilled.

So it's like a retroflex r (like in Pashto, or several Indian languages)?
'Cause the speaker on my cds sounds like she's using either a trilled r, or a normal English r (kind of hard to tell which, but I'm leaning more towards a trilled r).

Formiko wrote:In the news above, the young girl has a horrible accent. Don't emulate her. :|

:lol:

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Re: Mohawk Discussion

Postby Formiko » 2010-11-12, 1:56

księżycowy wrote:'Cause the speaker on my cds sounds like she's using either a trilled r, or a normal English r (kind of hard to tell which, but I'm leaning more towards a trilled r).

Actually, it's probably both. The R is pronounced more in the back of the palate than English.
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Re: Mohawk Discussion

Postby księżycowy » 2010-11-12, 10:00

Formiko wrote:Actually, it's probably both. The R is pronounced more in the back of the palate than English.

Thanks, I'll listen for that.

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Re: Mohawk Discussion

Postby księżycowy » 2010-11-30, 19:47

Hey Formiko, I’d also hate to ask, but do you mind checking my dialogues that I make for Mohawk in my WAC thread. The link is in my signature (the link’s called ’WAC 2011’). The first one is quite elementary, but I have to start somewhere. :)
Sorry for moving them from my blog, but at least you should be able to reply a lot easier in the thread itself!

Also, is the ’k’ in ’Kwe’ (Hi) pronounced as an English ’g’ or a ’k’? I’m guessing ’g,’ but Mohawk: A Teaching Grammar says that Mohawk ’k’ is pronounced as English ’g’ when it is before a vowel, which is this case it’s not. Speak Mohawk on the other hand says Mohawk ’kw’ is English ’gw.’ So I’m a little confused. :?

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Re: Mohawk Discussion

Postby księżycowy » 2010-11-30, 19:50

That reminds me, if anyone wants the corrections to the exercises for Mohawk: A Teaching Grammar, I can hook you up. The corrections are included on the audio for the course. An odd spot for them, but anywhere is better then no-where! :wink:

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Re: Mohawk Discussion

Postby Dunbots » 2010-11-30, 20:32

While I don't know anything about Mohawk, [w] is considered to be a semi-vowel, so it's probably pronounced [gw] there. :wink:

Mohawk seems cool. :D
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Re: Mohawk Discussion

Postby księżycowy » 2010-11-30, 20:44

Dunbots wrote:While I don't know anything about Mohawk, [w] is considered to be a semi-vowel, so it's probably pronounced [gw] there. :wink:

I'm pretty sure it's a 'g' too, but it's hard to hear on the audio. Let's see what Formiko says, shall we?

And were 'w' is considered a semi-vowel in English, I would say it's a consonant in Mohawk. But I'm not an expert myself. Just a learner. :P

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Re: Mohawk Discussion

Postby księżycowy » 2010-12-02, 22:35

Hate to keep bugging you Formiko :P
But I was curious if I got the right verbs forms here:
kshas - I make/create
raié:wate - He gets up early
ieié:wate - She gets up early


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