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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2017-03-20, 14:23

MAA + L + ATTACHED PRONOUN
Often muu مو is substituted with maa+l+attached pronoun:
maali b-êl-beet مالي بالبيت "I'm not at home"
maala m3allme مالها معلمة "She's not a teacher"
maalon saakniin b-êl-Mezze مالهن ساكنين بالمزه "They don't live in Mezze"

ABSOLUTELY NOT!
muu... mnoob مو... منوب "not... at all"
muu... abadan مو... أبداً "not... at all"
ana muu za3laan mnoob أنا مو زعلان منوب "I'm not upset at all"

IDIOMS
muu şêghlak! مو شغلك "none of your business!"
muu heek? مو هيك؟ "isn't it?"

NOT EVEN ONE
maa fii wêlla waa7ed ما في ولا واحد "there isn't even one"
maa maa3i wêlla frank ما معي ولا فرنك "I don't event have a frank on me"

EITHER... OR
ya ... ya يا... يا
êsmo ya 7asan ya 7ussein اسمه يا حسن يا حسين "His name is either Hasan or Hussein"

NEITHER... NOR
laa ... w laa لا... و لا
êT-Taa's êl-yoom laa şoob w laa bard الطقس اليوم لا شوب و لا برد "The weather today is neither hot nor cold"

NEGATIVE QUESTION
maalo saaken b-êl-Mezze? ماله ساكن بالمزه "Doesn't he live in Mezze?"
Answers:
la, maalo saaken b-êl-Mezze لا, ماله ساكن بالمزه "No, he doesn't live in Mezze"
mbala, saaken b-êl-Mezze مبلا, ساكن بالمزه "Yes, he does live in Mezze"

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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2017-03-23, 17:15

Summary of Chapter 6 of Syrian Colloquial

QUESTION MARKER You can use şi شي at the end of a question to clarify that you are indeed asking a question.

لعبت طاولة مبارح شي؟ - Did you (m.sg.) play tavla yesterday?

IDIOM
şu Saar? شو صار؟ "what happened"

MODALS AND PREPOSITIONS IN THE PAST Before modals and prepositions to which you have attached a pronoun, only kaan كان is used (it is not conjugated)
kaan 3andi fêkra mnii7a كان عندي فكرة منيحة "I had a good idea"

BY MYSELF 7aal حال is used with attached pronouns to mean "self"
(ê)jiit la-7aali إجيت لحالي "I came by myself"

HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN... ?
qaddeeş Saar-lak b-êş-şaam? قديش صارلك بالشام؟ "How long have you been in Damascus?"
Saar-li sêtte şhuur hoon. صارلي ستّة شهور هون "I've been here for 6 months"

Literally, "how long it has become for you in Damascus"

HOW LONG DID YOU STAY?
qaddeş qa3adt b-fransa? قديش قعدت بفرنسا "How long did you stay in France?"
qa3adt huniik sêtte şhuur قعدت هونيك ستّة شهور "I stayed there 6 months"

I'VE NEVER
بحياتي, بعمري - in my life
بحياتي ما رحت على استراليا "I have never been to Australia"

I STILL HAVEN'T..., I'VE JUST
lissa لسّا "still, yet"
hallaq هلّق "now"

lissa maa wêSel لسّا ما وصل "He still hasn't arrived"
hallaq wêSel هلّق وصل "He's just arrived"

BECAUSE
la'ênno لإنه
b-sabab ênno بسبب إنه
mênşaan منشان

mênşaan منشان can also be used as follows:
mênşaanak منشانك "for you, for your sake"
mênşaan heek منشان هيك "that's why, because of that"

WHY
leesh ليش "why"
leesh la ليش لا "why not?"
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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby eskandar » 2017-03-23, 21:05

voron wrote:qaddeeş Saar-lak b-êş-şaam? قديش صارلك بالشام؟ "How long have you been in Damascus?"

Interesting parallel to Egypt, where the name of the country also serves as a metonym for the capital city (مصر is often used to refer to Cairo).

hallaq هلّق "now"

Is the [q] actually pronounced as such in any Syrian dialects? I have only ever heard the word as halla2 from Lebanese.
Please correct my mistakes in any language.

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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2017-03-23, 21:43

eskandar wrote:Is the [q] actually pronounced as such in any Syrian dialects?

No, no, it is not pronounced in Syrian dialects either. The book marks it in the Latin transcription with the crossed q, but in the Arabic script the ق is retained.
Some words become unrecognizable because of this pronunciation, for example بالحقيقة "actually" sounds more like bil7ay'a.

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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2017-03-26, 16:30

voron wrote:qaddeeş Saar-lak b-êş-şaam? قديش صارلك بالشام؟ "How long have you been in Damascus?"

From Pimsleur, I learnt another way of saying this:
"ênta b-êş-şaam min emta" أنت بالشام من أيمتى (literally, "you in Damascus from when?")

voron wrote:Plans for this week:
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- Chapters 5-6 of Syrian Colloquial Arabic
- Audios 28-30 of Pimsleur Eastern Arabic 1

And I managed to meet the plan, !احسنت

Plan for the next week:
- Chapter 7 of Syrian Colloquial
- Audios 2-5 of Pimsleur Eastern Arabic 2

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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2017-03-29, 14:25

I skimmed through the last two chapters 7-8 of Syrian Colloquial and there is no much new information there for me. They mostly teach grammar stuff (conjugations, conditionals) which I already know. Sooo I will make a summary of these 2 chapters but it'll be very short, and then I'll move to some other materials. Oh and it's weird but it seems like they don't teach the way of saying "when" (when she came I was watching TV), or maybe I just missed it.

I think it should be لمّا (so the sentence above is لمّا جت كنت عم بفرّج عالتلفزيون),
or perhaps just و as iodalach explained on the Arabic subforum.

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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2017-04-03, 13:18

Plan for the next week:
- Chapter 7 of Syrian Colloquial
- Audios 2-5 of Pimsleur Eastern Arabic 2

Aaand I only read Chapters 7-8 of Syrian Colloquial, without writing a summary, and listened to just 1 lesson of Pimsleur. So my plan for this week is:

Plan for week April 3-April 9:
- Chapters 7-8 of Syrian Colloquial (write a summary)
- Audios 3-5 of Pimsleur Eastern Arabic 2

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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2017-04-08, 18:39

Summary of Chapter 7 of Syrian Colloquial

BEFORE AND AFTER
qabl ma nêdros قبل ما ندرس "before we study"
ba3D ma nêdros بعد ما ندرس "after we study"

MODALS
laazem لازم "must"
Darruri ضروري "should, need to"
(mên êl) mafruuD من المفروض "should, supposed to"
mumken ممكن "may, can"
bijuuz بجوز "probably, perhaps, may"
yêmken يمكن "possibly, might"

All these modals can be used with a verb in the conjunctive mood.

There are two ways to negate sentences with modals:
muu laazem truu7 hallaq مو لازم تروح هلّق "you don't have to go now"
laazem maa truu7 hallaq لازم ما تروح هلّق "you mustn't go now"

IN ORDER DO These conjunctions can also be used with a verb in the conjunctive mood.
mênshaan منشان "for the sake of, in order to"
la- لَ "for, in order to"
(la) 7atta لَحتّى "so as, in order to, until"

حتّى can also mean "even", "even though"

IDIOMS
maa-li 3arfaan 7aali rayye7 wêlla jaaye مالي عرفان حالي رايح ولا جاي "I don't know whether I'm coming or going"
jaaye! جاي "coming!"
jaaye 3ala baali جاي علي بالي "I feel like..., I'd like to..." (lit. it comes to my mind)

CASUAL INVITATIONS
bêddak truu7 بدك تروح "do you want to go?"
şu ra'yak truu7 شو رأيك تروح "what do you think about going?"
jaaye 3ala baalak truu7 جاي على بالك تروح "do you feel like going?"

POLITE INVITATIONS
bêt7êbb truu7 بتحب تروح "would you like to go?"

ACCEPTING AND DECLINING INVITATIONS
ee iza bêtriid اية إذا بتريد "Yes please"
ee ya-reet اية يا ريت "Yes I love to"
fêkra 7êlwe فكرة حلوة "What a good idea"
wallahi fêkra والله فكرة "What a good idea"
la ana aasef لا انا آسف "No, I'm sorry"
la ana mêta'aasef لا انا متآسف "No, I'm very sorry"
ya-reet baass maa bêqder يا ريت بس ما بقدر "I'd love to but I can't"
la şukran لا شوكرا "No, thank you"
muu jaaye 3ala baali مو جايي هلي بالي "I don't feel like it"
Sa3b صعب "It would be difficult"

EXPRESSING ABILITY
qêder قدر "has the ability to..."
3êref عرف "knows how to..."
mumken ممكن "is possible to..."
fii + pronoun في + ضمير "is able to..."

ee fiina naruu7 ايه فينا نروح "yes we can go"

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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2017-04-11, 20:39

I won't make a summary for Chapter 8. There is quite a lot of new vocabulary in it, so I decided I would return back to it after some time so I can understand and remember all the examples better.

Meanwhile I'm moving ahead with Pimsleur. Plan for this week:
Lessons 10-15 from Pimsleur 2

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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2017-04-21, 17:39

I'm doing Duolingo German. :P

I'm not planning to do anything else for German, besides maybe songs. Let's see how far it can take me.
UPD: And I'm 23% fluent in German :) This is addictive.

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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2017-04-22, 17:42

On Duo, I just came across the phrase "Ihm ist nicht gut". Wow I didn't know it could work like this in German. We say it exactly the same way in Russian: Ему (he-DAT) нехорошо (not well).

And "Dir ist kalt" too: Тебе (you-DAT) холодно (cold).

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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-04-22, 18:51

That's pretty much what we do in Malayalam, too.

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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby Levike » 2017-04-22, 19:10

voron wrote:On Duo, I just came across the phrase "Ihm ist nicht gut". Wow I didn't know it could work like this in German. We say it exactly the same way in Russian: Ему (he-DAT) нехорошо (not well).

Does it work like this in all Slavic languages?

In Romanian it is also possible "Nu îi e bine".
I'm thinking whether this is a Balkan Sprachbund thing in Romanian's case.

In German you say "Mir ist kalt" and in Romanian "Mi-e frig". Is it like that in Russian too?
Nem egy nap alatt épült Buda vára.

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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2017-04-22, 19:23

Levike wrote:Does it work like this in all Slavic languages?

I think yes, although I can only say for sure for the Eastern Slavic and BSC.
Mir ist nicht gut - BSC: Meni nije dobro.

In German you say "Mir ist kalt" and in Romanian "Mi-e frig". Is it like that in Russian too?

Yes.
Mir ist kalt - Russian: мне холодно (mne holodno), BSC: Meni je hladno.

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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby Saim » 2017-04-24, 7:37

voron wrote:
Levike wrote:Does it work like this in all Slavic languages?

I think yes, although I can only say for sure for the Eastern Slavic and BSC.
Mir ist nicht gut - BSC: Meni nije dobro.

In German you say "Mir ist kalt" and in Romanian "Mi-e frig". Is it like that in Russian too?

Yes.
Mir ist kalt - Russian: мне холодно (mne holodno), BSC: Meni je hladno.


Polish:
Zimno mi. (Mir ist kalt)
Niedobrze mi. (Mir ist nicht gut)


Also I'm sure you already know this but the neutral order in BCS would be:
Hladno mi je.
Nije mi dobro.

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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2017-04-24, 14:01

I've done like 70% of the German tree on Duo and got bored, so I'm dropping it. Yeah most likely I'll forget most of what I've learnt, but it was just for fun anyway.

https://lyricstraining.com has some songs in German, maybe I'll do a couple of Rammstein's songs.

Plan for week 4/24-4/28
Lessons 19-24 of Pimsleur 2

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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2017-04-26, 13:00

New words from Pimsleur:
to search: دَوَّر، يْدَوِّر
I am searching for a post-office: عم دوّرعلى بريد

to call, to telephone: اْتَّصَل، يِتَّصِل ب
I need to call the information: لازم اتصل بلاستعلمات

to send: بَعَت، يِبعَت
I like to send letters: بحب ابعت رسائل

to drive: سَاق، يْسُوْق
Syrians drive fast: سوريين يسوقو بسرعة

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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2017-05-03, 12:52

Week May 1 - May 7
Pimsleur 26-28

I have a lot of errands to run this week and little time for study.

Saim told me about this book:
https://www.amazon.com/Easy-Arabic-Read ... 0071754024

Seems like a really good and fun reader for MSA. Maybe I'm going to try and read it along with my Syrian Arabic studies.
It also has audio recordings freely available online:
http://www.audiostudyplayer.com

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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2017-05-04, 11:54

And I read 4 chapters of the Easy Arabic Reader. What a nice book! The first part of it tells a story of a young Syrian guy living in California who visits his relatives in Syria and makes a tour in the Middle East. Maybe a bit too easy for my level my I think it's going to be progressively more difficult.

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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2017-05-15, 15:31

I've finished Pimsleur Eastern Arabic 2!

Going to continue with Pimsleur Easter Arabic 3, and I'm doing recordings from langmedia and DLI too.


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