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the other is a dragon

Postby hanumizzle » 2007-08-14, 7:36

English: The other is a dragon, whose mouth is opened, that none can measure.
Swedish: Det andra är en drake vems mun är öppen, som ingen kan mäta.

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Postby gothwolf » 2007-08-14, 7:44

English: The other is a dragon, whose mouth is opened, that none can measure.
Swedish: Det andra är en drake vems mun är öppen, som ingen kan mäta.

Bulgarian: Другият е дракон, устата на който е отворена така, че никой не може да я измери.
Russian: Другой дракон, уста которого открыта, что никто не может измерить её. (?)


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Postby Emandir » 2007-08-14, 10:04

English: The other is a dragon, whose mouth is opened, that none can measure.
Swedish: Det andra är en drake vems mun är öppen, som ingen kan mäta.

French: L'autre est un dragon, à la bouche ouverte, que personne ne peut mesurer.

Bulgarian: Другият е дракон, устата на който е отворена така, че никой не може да я измери.
Russian: Другой дракон, уста которого открыта, что никто не может измерить её. (?)
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Postby hanumizzle » 2007-08-14, 10:13

:oops:

I just realized that the original text had 'the second' instead of 'the other'; I had it mixed up with a black metal song by Melechesh, whose lyrics are based on the same. "No door can shut them out, no bolt can turn them back"

But proceed anyway.

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Postby JaneFairfax » 2007-08-14, 11:25

English: The other is a dragon, whose mouth is opened, that none can measure.
Swedish: Det andra är en drake vems mun är öppen, som ingen kan mäta.

French: L'autre est un dragon, à la bouche ouverte, que personne ne peut mesurer.

Bulgarian: Другият е дракон, устата на който е отворена така, че никой не може да я измери.
Russian: Другой дракон, уста которого открыта, что никто не может измерить её. (?)

Finnish: Toinen on lohikäärme avoimine suineen, jota kukaan ei voi mitata.
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hanumizzle wrote::oops:

I just realized that the original text had 'the second' instead of 'the other'; I had it mixed up with a black metal song by Melechesh, whose lyrics are based on the same. "No door can shut them out, no bolt can turn them back"

But proceed anyway.

In Finnish, “the other” and “the second” are both toinenso it makes no difference which one it is in Finnish. :nope:

By the way, in my Finnish translation I have boldly used the comitative case
(avoimine suineen)! :twisted: I wonder what Varislintu and Stacy are going to have say about that. :notme:

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Postby Aleco » 2007-08-14, 12:42

English: The other is a dragon, whose mouth is opened, that none can measure.
Norwegian: Den andre er en drage, hvems munn er åpen, som ingen kan måle.

Swedish: Det andra är en drake vems mun är öppen, som ingen kan mäta.

French: L'autre est un dragon, à la bouche ouverte, que personne ne peut mesurer.

Bulgarian: Другият е дракон, устата на който е отворена така, че никой не може да я измери.
Russian: Другой дракон, уста которого открыта, что никто не может измерить её. (?)

Finnish: Toinen on lohikäärme avoimine suineen, jota kukaan ei voi mitata.
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Postby Quetzalcoatl » 2007-08-14, 12:47

English: The other is a dragon, whose mouth is opened, that none can measure.
German: Der Andere ist ein Drachen, dessen Mund so weit geöffnet ist, dass ihn keiner messen kann.
Norwegian: Den andre er en drage, hvems munn er åpen, som ingen kan måle.
Swedish: Det andra är en drake vems mun är öppen, som ingen kan mäta.

French: L'autre est un dragon, à la bouche ouverte, que personne ne peut mesurer.

Bulgarian: Другият е дракон, устата на който е отворена така, че никой не може да я измери.
Russian: Другой дракон, уста которого открыта, что никто не может измерить её. (?)

Finnish: Toinen on lohikäärme avoimine suineen, jota kukaan ei voi mitata.

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Postby Steisi » 2007-08-14, 13:14

JaneFairfax wrote:
By the way, in my Finnish translation I have boldly used the comitative case (avoimine suineen)! :twisted: I wonder what Varislintu and Stacy are going to have say about that. :notme:


I think it's good. :yep: The only ambiguity is if it's the dragon or its mouth which can't be measured, which is also the same for the English too..

The only foolproof way is: Toinen on lohikäärme, jonka suu on auki, ja jota kukaan ei voi mitata. buuut that doesn't sound as good as what you already wrote and it's splitting hairs IMO :yep:
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Postby JaneFairfax » 2007-08-14, 13:21

Stacy wrote:I think it's good. :yep:

Kiitos. :D

Stacy wrote:The only ambiguity is if it's the dragon or its mouth which can't be measured, which is also the same for the English too.

Most probably the dragon, I reckon, by syntactic analysis of the sentence. If it were the mouth, the sentence would be: “The other is a dragon, whose mouth that none can measure is opened.” :hmm:

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Postby Kubi » 2007-08-14, 14:56

Changing German to make the dragon unmeasurable instead of the mouth...

English: The other is a dragon, whose mouth is opened, that none can measure.
German: Der Andere ist ein Drachen mit offenem Mund, den keiner messen kann.
Norwegian: Den andre er en drage, hvems munn er åpen, som ingen kan måle.
Swedish: Det andra är en drake vems mun är öppen, som ingen kan mäta.

French: L'autre est un dragon, à la bouche ouverte, que personne ne peut mesurer.

Bulgarian: Другият е дракон, устата на който е отворена така, че никой не може да я измери.
Russian: Другой дракон, уста которого открыта, что никто не может измерить её. (?)

Finnish: Toinen on lohikäärme avoimine suineen, jota kukaan ei voi mitata.
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Postby 0stsee » 2007-08-14, 15:42

English: The other is a dragon, whose mouth is opened, that none can measure.
German: Der Andere ist ein Drachen mit offenem Mund, den keiner messen kann.
Norwegian: Den andre er en drage, hvems munn er åpen, som ingen kan måle.
Swedish: Det andra är en drake vems mun är öppen, som ingen kan mäta.

Indonesian: Yang satunya lagi itu seekor naga. Mulutnya yang kebuka ngga ada yang bisa ngukur seberapa besarnya.

for "second" one has only to replace "satunya lagi" with "kedua".

French: L'autre est un dragon, à la bouche ouverte, que personne ne peut mesurer.

Bulgarian: Другият е дракон, устата на който е отворена така, че никой не може да я измери.
Russian: Другой дракон, уста которого открыта, что никто не может измерить её. (?)

Finnish: Toinen on lohikäärme avoimine suineen, jota kukaan ei voi mitata.[/i]

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Postby Loiks » 2007-08-14, 15:58

English: The other is a dragon, whose mouth is opened, that none can measure.
German: Der Andere ist ein Drachen mit offenem Mund, den keiner messen kann.
Norwegian: Den andre er en drage, hvems munn er åpen, som ingen kan måle.
Swedish: Det andra är en drake vems mun är öppen, som ingen kan mäta.

French: L'autre est un dragon, à la bouche ouverte, que personne ne peut mesurer.

Bulgarian: Другият е дракон, устата на който е отворена така, че никой не може да я измери.
Russian: Другой дракон, уста которого открыта, что никто не может измерить её. (?)

Estonian: Teine on lohe, avatud suuga*, mida keegi ei suuda mõõta.
Finnish: Toinen on lohikäärme avoimine suineen, jota kukaan ei voi mitata.

* also comitative but developed from the word kaas (Finnish kanssa), meaning '(together) with'
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Postby Emandir » 2007-08-14, 15:59

Stacy wrote:The only ambiguity is if it's the dragon or its mouth which can't be measured, which is also the same for the English too..

There's no ambiguity! :shock:
What do you think punctuation is used for?
Just compare (I separate the relative clause with slashes):

The second one is a dragon /whose mouth is opened/ that none can measure.

The second one is a dragon /whose opened mouth none can measure/.
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Mouth or Dragon?

Postby 0stsee » 2007-08-14, 16:12

Emandir wrote:
Stacy wrote:The only ambiguity is if it's the dragon or its mouth which can't be measured, which is also the same for the English too..

There's no ambiguity! :shock:
What do you think punctuation is used for?
Just compare (I separate the relative clause with slashes):

The second one is a dragon /whose mouth is opened/ that none can measure.

The second one is a dragon /whose opened mouth none can measure/.


Oh, in my Indonesian translation, the mouth is the immeasurable one. :?


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Postby Psi-Lord » 2007-08-14, 16:57

English: The other is a dragon, whose mouth is opened, that none can measure.
German: Der Andere ist ein Drachen mit offenem Mund, den keiner messen kann.
Norwegian: Den andre er en drage, hvems munn er åpen, som ingen kan måle.
Swedish: Det andra är en drake vems mun är öppen, som ingen kan mäta.

French: L'autre est un dragon, à la bouche ouverte, que personne ne peut mesurer.
Portuguese: O outro é um dragão, de boca aberta, que ninguém pode medir. / O outro é um dragão cuja boca está aberta e que ninguém pode medir.

Bulgarian: Другият е дракон, устата на който е отворена така, че никой не може да я измери.
Russian: Другой дракон, уста которого открыта, что никто не может измерить её. :?:

Estonian: Teine on lohe, avatud suuga, mida keegi ei suuda mõõta.
Finnish: Toinen on lohikäärme avoimine suineen, jota kukaan ei voi mitata.

Indonesian: Yang satunya lagi itu seekor naga. Mulutnya yang kebuka ngga ada yang bisa ngukur seberapa besarnya.
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Postby Saaropean » 2007-08-14, 17:35

@Gruszka:
der Drachen = the kite
der Drache = the dragon
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@others:
In the German translation, it should be "Drache" instead of "Drachen".

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Postby Psi-Lord » 2007-08-14, 17:38

Corrected German and added minor Portuguese variants.

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English: The other is a dragon, whose mouth is opened, that none can measure.
German: Der Andere ist ein Drache mit offenem Mund, den keiner messen kann.
Norwegian: Den andre er en drage, hvems munn er åpen, som ingen kan måle.
Swedish: Det andra är en drake vems mun är öppen, som ingen kan mäta.

French: L'autre est un dragon, à la bouche ouverte, que personne ne peut mesurer.
Portuguese: O outro é um dragão, de boca aberta, que ninguém pode medir. / O outro é um dragão cuja boca está aberta e que ninguém pode medir. / O outro é um dragão com a boca aberta que ninguém pode medir. / O outro é um dragão boquiaberto que ninguém pode medir.

Bulgarian: Другият е дракон, устата на който е отворена така, че никой не може да я измери.
Russian: Другой дракон, уста которого открыта, что никто не может измерить её. :?:

Estonian: Teine on lohe, avatud suuga, mida keegi ei suuda mõõta.
Finnish: Toinen on lohikäärme avoimine suineen, jota kukaan ei voi mitata.

Indonesian: Yang satunya lagi itu seekor naga. Mulutnya yang kebuka ngga ada yang bisa ngukur seberapa besarnya.
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Postby Steisi » 2007-08-14, 18:10

Emandir wrote:The second one is a dragon /whose mouth is opened/ that none can measure.

The second one is a dragon /whose opened mouth none can measure/.


Hmm there's ambiguity in the Finnish but in the English it puts me off because it's messed up word order..as if there were too many things to put in the sentence and the author just couldn't be bothered to start a separate sentence :D "mouth" was the last thing mentioned so as I read it quickly while checking for ambiguity I connected it to measuring..
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Postby hanumizzle » 2007-08-14, 19:21

Emandir wrote:
Stacy wrote:The only ambiguity is if it's the dragon or its mouth which can't be measured, which is also the same for the English too..

There's no ambiguity! :shock:
What do you think punctuation is used for?
Just compare (I separate the relative clause with slashes):

The second one is a dragon /whose mouth is opened/ that none can measure.

The second one is a dragon /whose opened mouth none can measure/.


I rewrote it that way because I wanted it to fit on the line. The original text reads:

The second is a dragon, whose mouth is opened...
That none can measure.


which offers little, if any clarification. The ellipses may mean that some text was unintelligible.

Personally, I think that the immeasurability applies to the mouth, and gives an awesome description of a dragon not unlike Ancalagon (or 'Rushing Jaws') the Black.

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Postby Psi-Lord » 2007-08-14, 19:29

I’d chosen to make the dragon unmeasurable in Portuguese as well, because the English gloss had also made me confused. :P
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