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Re: True false friends

Postby Saim » 2016-11-04, 16:29

I meant shisha as a synonym of hookah, never heard of the embroidery. :P

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Re: True false friends

Postby Saim » 2016-11-07, 6:19

[Malay] mungkin - maybe, perhaps
[Punjabi] ممکن (mumkin) - possible
[Urdu] ممکن (mumkin) - possible
[Arabic] ممکن (mumkin) - possible
[Turkish] mümkün - possible

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Re: True false friends

Postby vijayjohn » 2016-11-07, 6:42

It means 'possibly' in Malay, too. :P

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Re: True false friends

Postby eskandar » 2016-11-07, 7:28

Saim wrote:[Malay] mungkin - maybe, perhaps
[Punjabi] ممکن (mumkin) - possible
[Urdu] ممکن (mumkin) - possible
[Arabic] ممکن (mumkin) - possible
[Turkish] mümkün - possible

Not sure I'd really call this a false friend, at least between Arabic and Malay. It can also mean "maybe, perhaps" in Arabic, especially colloquial Arabic. The Malay word, too, seems to also have the meaning of possibly. Edit: Sorry, didn't see Vijay's post before I made mine.
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Re: True false friends

Postby Vlürch » 2016-11-11, 20:09

English (en) bug
English (en) bog
Hungarian (hu) bog - knot
Russian (ru) бог - god
Ukrainian (uk) бог - god
Belarusian (be) бог - god
Polish (pl) bóg - god
Kashubian (csb) bóg - god
Upper Sorbian (hsb) bóh - god
Lower Sorbian (dsb) bog - god
Silesian (szl) bůg - god
Czech (cs) bůh - god
Sloavk (sk) boh - god
Slovene (sl) bog - god
Serbo-Croatian (sh) bog - god
Bulgarian (bg) бог - god
Macedonian (mk) бог - god
Danish (dk) bog - book
Somali (so) bog - page
Arabic (ar) بوق - lie

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Re: True false friends

Postby linguoboy » 2016-11-11, 20:29

Vlürch wrote:English (en) bug
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I think you may have confused this thread with a similar one.
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Re: True false friends

Postby vijayjohn » 2016-11-11, 21:40

eskandar wrote:Edit: Sorry, didn't see Vijay's post before I made mine.

Lol, that's okay.

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Re: True false friends

Postby Vlürch » 2016-11-11, 21:54

linguoboy wrote:
Vlürch wrote:English (en) bug
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I think you may have confused this thread with a similar one.

Oh, right... oops. :oops:

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Re: True false friends

Postby IpseDixit » 2016-11-21, 13:47

 (fi) suola - salt
 (it) suola - shoe sole

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Re: True false friends

Postby linguoboy » 2016-11-21, 21:24

 (es) mandil apron
 (tr) mendil handkerchief
 (en) mandil (rare) turban
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Re: True false friends

Postby eskandar » 2016-11-21, 23:45

linguoboy wrote: (es) mandil apron
 (tr) mendil handkerchief
 (en) mandil (rare) turban

This is a good example that's at the intersection of false friends and semantic drift. All of these are derived from Latin 'mantellum', giving us modern French 'manteau' coat, English 'mantle', and Arabic منديل (napkin, tissue, kerchief; this is the source of the Turkish word).
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Re: True false friends

Postby Car » 2016-11-22, 9:49

eskandar wrote:
linguoboy wrote: (es) mandil apron
 (tr) mendil handkerchief
 (en) mandil (rare) turban

This is a good example that's at the intersection of false friends and semantic drift. All of these are derived from Latin 'mantellum', giving us modern French 'manteau' coat, English 'mantle', and Arabic منديل (napkin, tissue, kerchief; this is the source of the Turkish word).

As well as German Mantel which means coat, mantle among other things.
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Re: True false friends

Postby IpseDixit » 2016-11-28, 12:42

 (fi) letto - fen (a type of treeless swamp)
 (it) letto - bed

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Re: True false friends

Postby vijayjohn » 2016-11-28, 13:07

IpseDixit wrote:fen (a type of treeless swamp)

English has a lot of words for wetlands, and apparently, the difference between them is what kind of plants grow thereare in it. I remember I was sitting in on a seminar for graduate students where IIRC one of the students was claiming to know which type of plant is in each (so a "bog" is where one kind of plant grows, a "swamp" is where another grows, and so on. Apparently, a "marsh" is where grass grows). Then the professor said, "Okay, wiseguy, if you're so smart, what's a fen?" and flashed his eyebrows. Then he must have replied that it was a type of wetland with peat below the waterline, because the professor said he couldn't have phrased it any better himself.

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Re: True false friends

Postby Michael » 2016-12-13, 22:04

 (az) danışmaq to speak ( (tr) konuşmak)
 (tr) danışmak to consult ( (az) məsləhət almaq, məsləhətləşmək)

 (pt) o menino boy, male child ( (es) el niño, el chico)
 (es) el minino kitten ( (pt) o gatinho)
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Re: True false friends

Postby Luís » 2016-12-15, 8:18

 (pt) sótão - attic
 (es) sótano - basement
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Re: True false friends

Postby mikemike18 » 2016-12-19, 6:07

Let me try to think up all of the ones I struggled with while living in Brazil.. hmm...

 (pt-BR) Palestra = Lecture
 (it) Palestra = Gym

 (pt-BR) Filme = Movie
 (it) Fiume = River

 (pt-BR) Cena = Scene
 (es) Cena = Dinner

 (pt-BR) Xingar = to Swear / Yell at
 (es-MX) Chingar = to have sexual intercourse...

 (haw) Pau = Done
 (pt-BR) Pau = Penis

 (pt-BR) Academia = Gym
 (it) Accademia = Academy

 (pt-BR) Puxe = Pull
 (en-US) Push

 (pt-BR) Pasta = Folder
 (en-US) Pasta

 (pt-BR) Experimentar = to Try
 (en-US) To Experiment
Avançado:  (en-US) (pt-BR) (it) (es-ES)
Preciso melhorar:  (ar-afb) (fr)
Algum dia:  (de) (haw) (hr)

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Re: True false friends

Postby Olinguito » 2016-12-19, 17:41

Czech (cs) Slovak (sk) zrak – vision; sight
Croatian (hr) Bosnian (bs) Slovenian (sl) zrak – air
Serbian (sr) Macedonian (mk) Bulgarian (bg) зрак – beam of light

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Re: True false friends

Postby linguoboy » 2016-12-19, 18:25

Luís wrote: (pt) sótão - attic
 (es) sótano - basement

 (fr) soutane cassock [also occ. used in English]
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Re: True false friends

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-01-07, 5:09

Turkish (tr) kitabı - the book (direct object)
Persian (fa) کتابی ketâbi - a book


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