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linguaholic wrote:I usually eat them with ketchup (I hate mayo, plus it's not vegan), also like satésauce (salty peanut stuff). Hummus sounds great, but I don't see anybody making that available here anytime soon.
obler9 wrote:Italian is the only language suitable with music.
obler9 wrote:Italian is the only language suitable with music.
But other languages can be good to accompany noises.
So I also listen to pieces sang in English, German and Norwegian.
Just God save me from French. But also from Russian, Japanese and the other radically smart usual exotic stupid tricks.
Cassielle wrote:obler9 wrote:Italian is the only language suitable with music.
But other languages can be good to accompany noises.
So I also listen to pieces sang in English, German and Norwegian.
Just God save me from French. But also from Russian, Japanese and the other radically smart usual exotic stupid tricks.
Is this just really poorly chosen wording, or a *really* ignorant and rude post?
linguaholic wrote:I usually eat them with ketchup (I hate mayo, plus it's not vegan), also like satésauce (salty peanut stuff). Hummus sounds great, but I don't see anybody making that available here anytime soon.
Cassielle wrote:obler9 wrote:Italian is the only language suitable with music.
But other languages can be good to accompany noises.
So I also listen to pieces sang in English, German and Norwegian.
Just God save me from French. But also from Russian, Japanese and the other radically smart usual exotic stupid tricks.
Is this just really poorly chosen wording, or a *really* ignorant and rude post?
obler9 wrote:If Mozart wanted his pieces and operas to be sung most in Italian, there is a reason.
If italian is the language of music ("concerto", "allegro", "andante", etc.) also there's a reason.
You can be fascinated by the peculiar structure of a given language such as Japanese or the east slavic ones or hungarian, etc. (me too), but music is made up of sounds, and the most beautiful, musical and rythmic language is Italian.
Boes wrote:obler9 wrote:If Mozart wanted his pieces and operas to be sung most in Italian, there is a reason.
If italian is the language of music ("concerto", "allegro", "andante", etc.) also there's a reason.
You can be fascinated by the peculiar structure of a given language such as Japanese or the east slavic ones or hungarian, etc. (me too), but music is made up of sounds, and the most beautiful, musical and rythmic language is Italian.
Mozart, who you apparently know only by name or else you would have known this, wrote many Opera's in German as well. In fact, it was Mozart who firmly established German opera. Perhaps you've heard about 'The Magic Flute', arguably one of the most iconic opera's ever? I'll wont spoil the storyline for you, but I can tell you this; it's not in Italian.
Boes wrote:it was Mozart who firmly established German opera
Boes wrote:Perhaps you've heard about 'The Magic Flute', arguably one of the most iconic opera's ever?
Boes wrote:It is incredibly rude, and frankly, incredibly stupid, to claim that Italian is the only language 'worthy' to be sung, and to discredit other languages while doing so.
Boes wrote:Opera doesn't equal music (thank god), and (despite what all those travel brochures say) neither does Italian. (Those brochures probably go on and on about the melodiousness of Italian to avoid writing about real things, like the tons of garbage littering Italian streets. ) .
Boes wrote:The only recent (1996) song (not even a hit) I can remember is Con te partirò, by that blind fellow. Which, if I recall correctly didn't even become known outside Italy until it was partly sung in English and became known as 'Time to say goodbye'.
linguaholic wrote:I usually eat them with ketchup (I hate mayo, plus it's not vegan), also like satésauce (salty peanut stuff). Hummus sounds great, but I don't see anybody making that available here anytime soon.
Mikael wrote:That post just screamed, "I'm obnoxious! Go Italian!!11!1" Or maybe it's just me.
Cassielle wrote:I still don't know if I should be annoyed or not, because now I'm convinced he's jsut a troll, and can't take him seriously.
sjheiss wrote:Oh my goooooooooooooooood, why is this elitist asshole not banned yet?
obler9 wrote:A country climatically perfect with a very very long coastline in a sea (the Mediterranean one) in which you can have a real bath (differently from your sea where only the Yeti can have a bath). A country inhabited by a people that created what we call "western civilization" and that speak the most beautifull language of the world and that, as you show, still today causes the irrepresible envy of the barbarian trolls who are not even able to articulate a true human language.
Boes wrote:
Come to think of it, when you look at the recent history of global or European music there's not really that much Italian. Let alone innovative music coming from Italy. Ever heard of Fats Domino? Louis Armstrong? The Beatles? The Rolling Stones? The Beach boys? Julio Iglesias? Kraftwerk? Tiesto? Neither of them sang in Italian.
The only recent (1996) song (not even a hit) I can remember is Con te partirò, by that blind fellow. Which, if I recall correctly didn't even become known outside Italy until it was partly sung in English and became known as 'Time to say goodbye'.
obler9 wrote:Boes wrote:obler9 wrote:If Mozart wanted his pieces and operas to be sung most in Italian, there is a reason.
If italian is the language of music ("concerto", "allegro", "andante", etc.) also there's a reason.
You can be fascinated by the peculiar structure of a given language such as Japanese or the east slavic ones or hungarian, etc. (me too), but music is made up of sounds, and the most beautiful, musical and rythmic language is Italian.
Mozart, who you apparently know only by name or else you would have known this, wrote many Opera's in German as well. In fact, it was Mozart who firmly established German opera. Perhaps you've heard about 'The Magic Flute', arguably one of the most iconic opera's ever? I'll wont spoil the storyline for you, but I can tell you this; it's not in Italian.
I am astonished by your musical "culture". Me, you know, the one that takes the metro and in 20 minutes is at the Scala Theatre while maybe you go to a good dutch coffee shop in 20 mins-
obler9 wrote:Actually you have to start reading better what I wrote: If Mozart wanted his pieces and operas to be sung most in Italian there is a reason
Ins't true or not he wanted his operas to be sung most in Italian?
obler9 wrote:Isn't true or not there are several written testimonies about his love for the Italian language over the others and on his love for the Opera over the other genders? It's Mozart who stated Opera to me comes before everything else
obler9 wrote:Right now I remember a letter about an Opera he felt the vital need to write, and he intended it to be written "in French rather than German, but in Italian rather than both, German and French..."
obler9 wrote:Who does care (talking about the most suitable language with music) a few of German Singspiele (remember this term) he wrote?Boes wrote:it was Mozart who firmly established German opera
What kind of opera did he "firmly establish"? Die Entführung aus dem Serail or Die Zauberflöte are in fact Singspiele, and this german gender (nothing special) existed before him and it was rather common..
obler9 wrote:Now, what's the peculiarity of the German Singspiel? It is characterized by the spoken dialogues.. It was perceived as a gender suitable with german exactly because the German language is not musical at all and the spoken recitative (non-sung) parts helped the lack of musicality of German.
obler9 wrote:Boes wrote:Perhaps you've heard about 'The Magic Flute', arguably one of the most iconic opera's ever?
Maybe for a Troll. The "most iconic operas ever" written by Mozart are in fact Le Nozze di Figaro, Don Giovanni and Così fan tutte
obler9 wrote:Boes wrote:It is incredibly rude, and frankly, incredibly stupid, to claim that Italian is the only language 'worthy' to be sung, and to discredit other languages while doing so.
When I state Italian is the only language suitable with music, well... let's say it's true.
obler9 wrote:The part regarding me discrediting other languages intended to be sarcastic towards some ridicolous middle-class passion for the exotic: the style I used to write it could help you to understand it, but maybe your intellectual sensibility is not evolved enough, as I can see by your way of talking and the fanciful issues that you're adding to this conversation, though they are completely irrelated with the topic you should consider here:
obler9 wrote:Boes wrote:Opera doesn't equal music (thank god), and (despite what all those travel brochures say) neither does Italian. (Those brochures probably go on and on about the melodiousness of Italian to avoid writing about real things, like the tons of garbage littering Italian streets. ) .
A note for an Ignorant Troll brainwashed by some American B-movie: Napoli is an Italian city and not the whole Italy; and it is in some neapolitan areas that 2 years ago started a problem with the draing of the garbage, that is going to be solved now. The guilty is not of the neapolitans but of the camorra and some criminal northern italian entrepreneurs.
obler9 wrote:What happened in Napoli two years ago doesn't change the musicality of Italian and the fact that in Italy the reader of the travel brochures comes to see the country that got over the half of the artistic patrimony of the whole world plus the largest number of sites declared by Unesco universal heritage.
obler9 wrote:A country climatically perfect with a very very long coastline in a sea (the Mediterranean one) in which you can have a real bath (differently from your sea where only the Yeti can have a bath).
obler9 wrote:A country inhabited by a people that created what we call "western civilization"
and that speak the most beautifull language of the world and that, as you show, still today causes the irrepresible envy of the barbarian trolls who are not even able to articulate a true human language.
obler9 wrote:I could talk about the fact that people who go to the Netherlands go there not because of the not very special Netherlands themselves but just because of the free drugs and pronstitution.
obler9 wrote:Are you Dutch, and you dare to talk about Italian?
This is very strange...
obler9 wrote:As an old Dutch saying goes,
"The Dutch language is not a language but a throatache!".
obler9 wrote:
You talk about "travel brochures" but for centuries a lot of european intellectuals argued on the superiority of the Italian language in music (and not only in music).
obler9 wrote:I can't put and mention everything about Italian and music today and in past because it would take the whole forum.
darkina wrote:Boes wrote:
Come to think of it, when you look at the recent history of global or European music there's not really that much Italian. Let alone innovative music coming from Italy. Ever heard of Fats Domino? Louis Armstrong? The Beatles? The Rolling Stones? The Beach boys? Julio Iglesias? Kraftwerk? Tiesto? Neither of them sang in Italian.
The only recent (1996) song (not even a hit) I can remember is Con te partirò, by that blind fellow. Which, if I recall correctly didn't even become known outside Italy until it was partly sung in English and became known as 'Time to say goodbye'.
Talking about innovative music coming from a place to influence the world is not a very precise thing to do, because it fully depends on the market, and the Italian one is underdeveloped enough to let innovative stuff remain in the underground even within the country itself.
darkina wrote:(and personally I have never heard of Fats Domino or Tiesto )
Boes wrote:Oh, as for 'creating' Western civilization ... get a book on the Roman Empire, read the first 10 pages, close the book, come back to this forum, log in, and apologize to the Greeks.
Boes wrote:But do go on about this Cammora and criminal entrepreneurs ... we don't have them where I live. Are they the creme de la creme of Italian opera?obler9 wrote:What happened in Napoli two years ago doesn't change the musicality of Italian and the fact that in Italy the reader of the travel brochures comes to see the country that got over the half of the artistic patrimony of the whole world plus the largest number of sites declared by Unesco universal heritage.
So the trash of Naples doesn't have an effect on the language ... but artistic patrimony and UNESCO sites somehow do?
darkina wrote:I'm sure you wouldn't use Al Qaeda in an argument with a Muslim, so why use our sad sad bits in an argument about language and culture...
obler9 wrote:Boes wrote:obler9 wrote:If Mozart wanted his pieces and operas to be sung most in Italian, there is a reason.
If italian is the language of music ("concerto", "allegro", "andante", etc.) also there's a reason.
You can be fascinated by the peculiar structure of a given language such as Japanese or the east slavic ones or hungarian, etc. (me too), but music is made up of sounds, and the most beautiful, musical and rythmic language is Italian.
Mozart, who you apparently know only by name or else you would have known this, wrote many Opera's in German as well. In fact, it was Mozart who firmly established German opera. Perhaps you've heard about 'The Magic Flute', arguably one of the most iconic opera's ever? I'll wont spoil the storyline for you, but I can tell you this; it's not in Italian.
I am astonished by your musical "culture". Me, you know, the one that takes the metro and in 20 minutes is at the Scala Theatre while maybe you go to a good dutch coffee shop in 20 mins-
Actually you have to start reading better what I wrote: If Mozart wanted his pieces and operas to be sung most in Italian there is a reason
Ins't true or not he wanted his operas to be sung most in Italian? Isn't true or not there are several written testimonies about his love for the Italian language over the others and on his love for the Opera over the other genders? It's Mozart who stated Opera to me comes before everything else
Right now I remember a letter about an Opera he felt the vital need to write, and he intended it to be written "in French rather than German, but in Italian rather than both, German and French..."
Who does care (talking about the most suitable language with music) a few of German Singspiele (remember this term) he wrote?Boes wrote:it was Mozart who firmly established German opera
What kind of opera did he "firmly establish"? Die Entführung aus dem Serail or Die Zauberflöte are in fact Singspiele, and this german gender (nothing special) existed before him and it was rather common..
Varislintu wrote:obler9 wrote:A country climatically perfect with a very very long coastline in a sea (the Mediterranean one) in which you can have a real bath (differently from your sea where only the Yeti can have a bath). A country inhabited by a people that created what we call "western civilization" and that speak the most beautifull language of the world and that, as you show, still today causes the irrepresible envy of the barbarian trolls who are not even able to articulate a true human language.
In my barbaric tongue we have this saying 'Omakehu haisee': "There is a stench of self-praising here" .
linguaholic wrote:I usually eat them with ketchup (I hate mayo, plus it's not vegan), also like satésauce (salty peanut stuff). Hummus sounds great, but I don't see anybody making that available here anytime soon.
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